Wilder would end usyks career with single punch, even lomachenko knows it

[Bardamu]

You seem oblivious to the fact that punching power varies in fighters. By your logic, Paulie and Manny should have the same punching power, being the same weight. Come back when you get a grasp of the basics.

So, Usyk shouldn't fight someone his own size?
A p4p fighter should have to fight smaller opponents? Maidana and Canelo could walk through Mayweather's punches. Yet both lost to him.

If you think punching power is the sole decider of who wins, you show an astounding lack of understanding the basics. In fact, you seem oblivious to the fact that Usyk's last fight was against someone with much more punching power who could walk through all of Usyk's shots.

I thought you understood the basics of boxing and knew of Usyk's opponents and records. I was obviously wrong. Go on living in your dream world. Unfortunately for you, boxing still has weight divisions.

[Bardamu]

W1LL is making a valid point there. Szpilka, a C level southpaw cruiserweight, outboxed Wilder for 8 rounds before he got over confident, tried some kind of shifting move he didn't have the skill to pull off, and jumped right on to Wilder's right hand.

Usyk is levels above Szpilka in every respect and he doesn't make novice mistakes like that. No reason to think he couldn't do what Szpilka did, and more, for the whole 12 rounds.

Cunningham was a C level cruiserweight who landed a windmill punch hurting Fury. Cunningham, a C level cruiserweight, outboxed Fury for 6 rounds.

Wilder is levels above Cunningham in every respect and when he lands windmill shots, opponents don't get up.

Amir Khan could box circles around Canelo. Yet, for some reason, Canelo beat him. There is no reason to think Usyk could avoid Wilder's right hand for 12 rounds. Marco Huck landed a number of clean power shots on Usyk. No reason to think Wilder wouldn't do the same thing. But there is plenty of reason to expect Usyk going down and staying down if Wilder landed those same type of power shots.

[Redd Foxx]

So, Usyk shouldn't fight someone his own size?
A p4p fighter should have to fight smaller opponents? Maidana and Canelo could walk through Mayweather's punches. Yet both lost to him.

If you think punching power is the sole decider of who wins, you show an astounding lack of understanding the basics. In fact, you seem oblivious to the fact that Usyk's last fight was against someone with much more punching power who could walk through all of Usyk's shots.

I thought you understood the basics of boxing and knew of Usyk's opponents and records. I was obviously wrong. Go on living in your dream world. Unfortunately for you, boxing still has weight divisions.

Dude, stop being a child and creating strawman arguments because you can't make an actual valid point against me. I never said half that bullshyt you're rambling on about.
You said something ******,
I called you on it,
Get over it.

[Tom Cruise]

I love when a big man shows boxing skill like Usyk does. Massive respect for the guy. But, I hate the idea of him being a HW because he has no power. Guys like Wilder and AJ have no reason not to walk through his punches in order to land bombs. That's just how this stuff works in boxing.

I would be very interested to see if AJ or Wilder could walk through Usyks punches tbh. I know he isn’t a big puncher, but he is fast and crisp with his shots, and vs slower opponents I bet he is able to put more mustard on his shots.

I would also be curious to see how powerful they look vs a sharper opponent who sees what they are trying to set up and rolls with the punches, with much better footwork and stamina aswell.

[Zn1]

Cunningham was a C level cruiserweight who landed a windmill punch hurting Fury. Cunningham, a C level cruiserweight, outboxed Fury for 6 rounds.

Wilder is levels above Cunningham in every respect and when he lands windmill shots, opponents don't get up.

Amir Khan could box circles around Canelo. Yet, for some reason, Canelo beat him. There is no reason to think Usyk could avoid Wilder's right hand for 12 rounds. Marco Huck landed a number of clean power shots on Usyk. No reason to think Wilder wouldn't do the same thing. But there is plenty of reason to expect Usyk going down and staying down if Wilder landed those same type of power shots.

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[Redd Foxx]

I would be very interested to see if AJ or Wilder could walk through Usyks punches tbh. I know he isn’t a big puncher, but he is fast and crisp with his shots, and vs slower opponents I bet he is able to put more mustard on his shots.

I would also be curious to see how powerful they look vs a sharper opponent who sees what they are trying to set up and rolls with the punches, with much better footwork and stamina aswell.

I think it's a matter of technique with Usyk. He, like Loma, tends to stay light on his feet and that means you can't commit as much to a punch. I've seen Loma choose to sit down on his punches in some fights and show legit power. The Martinez fight was a perfect example of that. I think Usyk could do the same if he committed to it. And, at HW, I think he'll have to. The Bellew fight should tell us a lot.

[kafkod]

Cunningham was a C level cruiserweight who landed a windmill punch hurting Fury. Cunningham, a C level cruiserweight, outboxed Fury for 6 rounds.

Wilder is levels above Cunningham in every respect and when he lands windmill shots, opponents don't get up.

Amir Khan could box circles around Canelo. Yet, for some reason, Canelo beat him. There is no reason to think Usyk could avoid Wilder's right hand for 12 rounds. Marco Huck landed a number of clean power shots on Usyk. No reason to think Wilder wouldn't do the same thing. But there is plenty of reason to expect Usyk going down and staying down if Wilder landed those same type of power shots.

Dealing with your points one by one ..

"Steve Cunningham was a C level cruiserweight"

Lol .. when did you start following boxing? Steve was IBF world CW champion. He beat Marko Huck in Germany and lost 2 hotly disputed split decisions to Adamek.

"Wilder is levels above Cunningham in every respect"

No he isn't! He has a longer reach and more power, and that's it. In every other respect, the Cunningham who fought Fury was actually levels above Wilder.

"Cunningham outboxed Fury for 6 rounds."

No he didn't! He decked Fury with a beautiful overhand right when Tyson was showboating. Apart from that, it was a close, even fight till Fury wore Cunningham down and KO'd him.

"Amir Khan could box circles around Canelo. Yet, for some reason, Canelo beat him."

Canelo is on another planet to Wilder in terms of skill, IQ, and counter punching ability, and Usyk is far cleverer than Khan, with a much better chin.

You talk as if punching power is the only determinant of who wins at boxing. It isn't. Both Canelo and Maidana have way more power than Floyd Mayweather, and could walk right through his punches. Yet, for some reason, Floyd beat both of them.

"There is no reason to think Usyk could avoid Wilder's right hand for 12 rounds. Marco Huck landed a number of clean power shots on Usyk. No reason to think Wilder wouldn't do the same thing. But there is plenty of reason to expect Usyk going down and staying down if Wilder landed those same type of power shots."

The fact that Huck landed a number of clean power shots on Usyk is no reason to believe that Wilder would do the same. Huck is not Wilder and Usyk is not ****** enough to stand right in front of a murderous puncher trading shots like he did with Huck. He proved that against Gassiev.

[kafkod]

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I know. It took me a while to figure out if he was trolling me with those comments and another while to stop laughing and type out a reply after I decided he was being serious.