Andre Ward: GGG NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT! HE NEVER WANTED TO TAKE ANY RISK!

[Bjl12]

When did "the dude" wait for Gennady to get "old"?

Canelo become Lineal MW champ on Nov 21, 2015 after beating Miguel Cotto at 155 - the highest weight Canelo ever competed at. Although 155 is ONE pound over 154...it is still considered MIDDLEWEIGHT.

Canelo, for whatever reason, was given 15 days to negotiate a fight with Golovkin or rescind the WBC belt. Canelo was dealing with litigation on different fronts following his victory over Cotto:

http://www.tmz.com/2015/12/09/canelo...-ulises-solis/

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...-contract-case

Canelo won the first case, but had to pay $8.5 million to Zabala promotions in spring of 2016.

Again it was weird that Canelo had just 2 weeks to negotiate a fight given his circumstances.

In the lead up to the Cotto fight and immediately following victory Canelo offered - O F F E R E D - the fight to Golovkin at a catchweight of 155. 155 is where Canelo won the lineal MIDDLEWEIGHT titles. Golovkin refused to fight anywhere except for the MW limit of 160.

Canelo says:

"If he wants to fight with me, let him come down to 155 and I’ll fight him whatever day he wants. At this moment, my body isn’t ready for 160 pounds. Maybe 1 or 2 more years I’ll be ready for 160, I don’t know, but I’d be delighted to fight someone like Gennady. He’s a great fighter and I think it would be a great fight. I’d be delighted to get him in a fight."

Oh...and in case you missed it...Canelo DID fight Golovkin 2 years later when he said he would IF Gennady wouldn't agree to a catchweight WITHIN the MIDDLWEIGHT division.

https://fansided.com/2015/10/22/cane...t-catchweight/

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/new...at-catchweight

So Canelo wasn't waiting for anything, however, you could complain he was flexing his "A" side prowess. Have a problem with that? Then you have a problem with boxing, not Canelo.

Canelo made 152 for Floyd
Cotto made 145 for Pacman
Sergio made 159 for Cotto
JCC Jr. made 164 for Canelo
Margarito made 150 for Pac (and a rehydration clause)
Pavlik made 10 for BHop
RJJ made 170 for Trinidad
Geale made 157 for Cotto

The point is:

Catchweights have been used in boxing for a LONG time and the "A" side gets the benefit of the negotiations. Do you need me to explain why Canelo was "A" side? It'll be a short discussion.

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Golovkin turned pro at 24 years old and fought his first 6 years - and 23 professional fights - in Germany. He didn't even come to the United States until he was 30 years old.

Did Canelo stop Gennady from coming to the United States when he was 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, or 29?

Gennady had a good run of KO'ing cab drivers and part-time fighters during his 30th and 33rd...beating Stevens, Macklin, and Geale. Nothing overly impressive about any of those wins and they obviously didn't make Gennady a PPV attraction as he sold 150k PPV's against David Lemiuex ONE MONTH before Canelo sold 900k against Cotto...

So I'm not seeing where Gennady was ever in a position to make demands against a bonafide "A" side PPV star in Canelo who achieved:

- 900k with Cotto
- highest premium channel fight in 2015 (2.5 million viewers on HBO against Kirkland)
- Canelo did 350k versus Angulo (and Angulo has/had virtually NO following compared to Lemiuex having all of Canada)
- Canelo Lara did 300k (and Lara literally had zero/0/zero following compared to anyone ever)

https://www.badlefthook.com/2014/3/1...-per-view-buys

https://www.************.com/2014/08...s-on-showtime/

So Canelo is/was clearly the "A" side in the potential fight for 2015. There's no way around that. Gennady chose not to abide by boxing's unwritten rules and ignored the fact that "B" side fighters have to not only beat "A side fighters, but also overcome additional obstacles/favoritism. However, do all of that and...you become the "A" side.

Simple risk/reward


BBbbbuuuutttttt...Gennady fights for the people, man! Gennady don't care about no money, man!

Wrong. Like everything else you can say. You troll trash.

GolovCUCKS own words:

"I understand this decision is maybe 20% Canelo's and 80% [his promoter], Golden Boy. It's business, but it's not respectful of boxing...For me, it's about who's the best? Who's No. 1 in the division? That's what's No. 1 to me. Second is money."

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/1...ing-superfight

A few months later and it's:

“I just want a fair split, I want a 50-50 split. I’m the champion,’” Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler said (via LA Daily News).

“But Canelo, for whatever reason, was insisting on still having a huge advantage. … It was 65-35 percent for the rematch and Gennady thinks that’s just not fair. Taking 35 percent as the champion is just not fair.”

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/5/2...it-boxing-news

Turns out Gennady was actually a "businessman" all along too. He just played his fans and the people who believed him...which is YOU

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We've established Canelo offered the fight in 2015 - at a catchweight.

We've established Canelo is and was the "A" side as evidenced by PPV buys during the same timeframe - not even including the 2.5 million PPV fight with Floyd.
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Canelo did fight Gennady in 2017 (at 160) like he said he would in 2015. Then Canelo was suspended and fought Gennady 1 year later - without a tuneup - in 2018.

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Please explain to me how "the dude" waited for Gennady to get "old".

I trip these Gennady cucks so straight. It's honestly too easy.

Imma lay low a bit because I just murdered this kid

And that goes for every GennadyCUCK

Boksfan
KillaMane26
strykr619
mathed
Real King Kong
TonyGe
Elfag
SniXSniPe
Redd Foxx

All you lil girls keep Ca$h out your damn mouth and Gennady's dick in it. And you don't want it with the gringo

Good lord, you keep digging yourself into a hole further and further.

Canelo fought at 155 for years. Canelo also fought at 164 before finally fighting Golovkin at 160. So you're actually defending a catchweight. Seriously? That's about as pathetic and desparate as you can get.

Canelo fought:

Kirkland @ 155 in Spring, 2015
Cotto @ 155 in Fall, 2015
---Canelo offers Gennady the fight - at 155 - Gennady refused the offer/fight

"Why 155? Why not 140? This is not middleweight belt. My focus is on the middleweight division. I need all the belts in the middleweight division. This is not respectful to boxing or to the people. Right now, he's a champion in the middleweight division. Middleweight division is 160."

https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/2/1...e-middleweight

Correction, CUCKnaddy, as your supporters suggest - MW is 155-160...NOT 160. That is the MW limit.

Khan @ 155 in Spring, 2016
Smith @ 154 in Fall, 2016
JCC Jr. @ 164 in Spring, 2017

The strangest thing out of all of this is that Gennady began complaining about being ducked in 2015. He specifically criticized Canelo and Cotto for ducking - two smaller fighters. Neither Cotto or Canelo ever fought at 160, EVER.

https://www.*************.com/column...ter-in-boxing/

The media even began touting Gennady as the most "ducked fighter"...which is odd again considering Gennady's choices:

- Gennady turns pro late at 24 years old (don't know why...Canelo was pro at 15 years and that worked for him...Ca$h COW)
- Gennady stays in Germany fighting part-time boxers and full-time cab drivers for 6 years...S I X Years...why he needed extra help...will never be understood even by his most staunch supporters.
- Gennady comes to the United States at 30 years of age and, after a couple of years, creates a small following.
- At age 33 Gennady starts complaining of being ducked!

“Of course I want to fight [Cotto], he’s a legend, a big name for me,” Golovkin said via the latimes.com. “Canelo’s the guy who will fight me.”

https://www.************.com/2015/03...will-fight-me/

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/10/...e-can-get-them

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/bo...eight-division

- At age 33 Gennady acknowledges Canelo and Cotto are "big names"

- At age 33 Golovkin was offered the GOLDEN ticket to fight Canelo at 155 - the weight which Canelo won the title at and the highest weight Canelo ever fought...Gennady declined.

Again, you can't complain that others - including "big names" - are ducking you if you won't accept the fights. The "big names" make the rules. That's just how it is. If you want to go on a tangent about "A" side/"B" side being baloney...you can make a legitimate case, however, that's just how it is for all of boxing...not just Canelo or Cotto.

He choose Vanes over harder opponents because he had a rematch against Canelo. He's an old man who doesn't recover like he use to, if he had gone to war with a guy like Derev who was virtually no draw, the Canelo fight would be postponed and he would be older/potentially have lost.

Gennady didn't/doesn't care about money. Or at least so he says:

"Everyone says Canelo is a great champion, the idol of Mexico. The idol for what? For boxing? No. Or as a businessman? Right now, he looks like a businessman.

I understand this decision is maybe 20% Canelo's and 80% [his promoter], Golden Boy. It's business, but it's not respectful of boxing...For me, it's about who's the best? Who's No. 1 in the division? That's what's No. 1 to me. Second is money."


https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/1...ing-superfight

And the Canelo rematch? Gennady tried getting out of it over...MONEY. So much for fighting to find "who's best"

"After the rematch had been scuttled, the two sides tried to set up another fight for Sept. 15, reaching a tentative agreement with a 65-35 split in favor of Alvarez. But that deal was never signed and, according to Rafael, a perturbed Golovkin began to demand an even distribution of the revenue.

Golden Boy CEO Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez’s promoter, told Rafael that they would accept a 60-40 split, but 50-50 was out of the question."

Gennady whining about Ca$hnelo being a "businessman" yet is about nothing but business himself. And his cuck fanbase eats it up XD XD XD

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/0...-all-but-dead/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0436945cc86e

Are you seriously bringing up Jacobs or Lara? First of all, he fought Canelo after Jacobs. Who the **** would rematch Jacobs when they have Canelo, a higher P4P rated fighter and a much bigger money fight? Secondly, mentioning Lara? Do you even watch boxing or pay attention? Lara was signed/fighting Hurd. Jacobs was also signed for a fight.

Christ dude, your arguements are failing you so hard right now. Just stop.

I can tell you are a Republican because you ignore facts, evidence, and don't "believe in" documentation.

Gennady ducked Lara for years and refused "big name" fights because he wouldn't accept Middleweight fights (155-160) against Canelo or Cotto.

You're literally trying to pick at Golovkin for fighting Canelo, who's a higher rated fighter than any of those names you mentioned, and a bigger payday. There's no logic in anything you're saying.

LOL @ mentioning Lara (who's manager clearly showed they were outpricing themselves in a past interview, asking for I believe $3 million LOL), and Jacobs, when both guys had fights already.

This kid mocks Lara for "pricing himself out" when Gennady literally did the E X A C T same thing. Typical CUCKnaddy fans XD

Ether. Again.



AKAcronym DUCKS me and for good reason

[AKAcronym]

Ward had a 3 fight deal with HBO because 2 fight tune up to get used to 175 then Kovalev who at the time was top 3 p4p.
1st fight he fought Sullivan berrera who was the Mando and #1 contender for Kovalev... By choice. And beat his ass. 2nd fight was just a toss up.

All the ggg stans just keep repeating the obvious. Ggg didn't compromise so No one knows how good he was or wasn't. We only know his actions can't back up all that hype that him, Abel, Loeffler, HBO, espn was pushing.

Lara wanted the fight. Guess who never made an offer? Guess who never did Jack to even try to make the fight for years. Ggg. You selective memory stans. People were calling ggg out for years. Ggg just didn't want to compromise.

REAL FACTS. cry all you want but not one of you can say how good ggg was. He won't fight anyone with a pulse anymore. the supposed self proclaimed top mw of the past 25 years only 5 months ago is too old. Keep making excuses. It's over for you stans.

Keep chasing Canelo for the 3rd fight. Keep ducking. Keep the hype alive.

How much did he actually want it? He would call out GGG but then do nothing about it. Even back in 2015, he was interviewed about fighting at 160 and he responded by saying 154 multiple times in a row. And who was the side that called the other, with the one side putting up excuses? And there's a reason why guys his age don't fight top guys anymore. It sucks he didn't get the meaningful fights when he was younger, but nobody fights like they used to on that side of 30. People have been mentioning he started looking his age since the Brook fight and has been declining since. It's not just fighting better comp, he's fighting at an age where others across multiple sports start performing at a lesser version of themselves. Those two things just happened to intersect.

[Mexican_Puppet]

GGG is a guy with a poor list of risks and rivals in his career

[TonyGe]

Canelo fought:

Kirkland @ 155 in Spring, 2015
Cotto @ 155 in Fall, 2015
---Canelo offers Gennady the fight - at 155 - Gennady refused the offer/fight

"Why 155? Why not 140? This is not middleweight belt. My focus is on the middleweight division. I need all the belts in the middleweight division. This is not respectful to boxing or to the people. Right now, he's a champion in the middleweight division. Middleweight division is 160."

https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/2/1...e-middleweight

Correction, CUCKnaddy, as your supporters suggest - MW is 155-160...NOT 160. That is the MW limit.

Khan @ 155 in Spring, 2016
Smith @ 154 in Fall, 2016
JCC Jr. @ 164 in Spring, 2017

The strangest thing out of all of this is that Gennady began complaining about being ducked in 2015. He specifically criticized Canelo and Cotto for ducking - two smaller fighters. Neither Cotto or Canelo ever fought at 160, EVER.

https://www.*************.com/column...ter-in-boxing/

The media even began touting Gennady as the most "ducked fighter"...which is odd again considering Gennady's choices:

- Gennady turns pro late at 24 years old (don't know why...Canelo was pro at 15 years and that worked for him...Ca$h COW)
- Gennady stays in Germany fighting part-time boxers and full-time cab drivers for 6 years...S I X Years...why he needed extra help...will never be understood even by his most staunch supporters.
- Gennady comes to the United States at 30 years of age and, after a couple of years, creates a small following.
- At age 33 Gennady starts complaining of being ducked!

“Of course I want to fight [Cotto], he’s a legend, a big name for me,” Golovkin said via the latimes.com. “Canelo’s the guy who will fight me.”

https://www.************.com/2015/03...will-fight-me/

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/10/...e-can-get-them

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/bo...eight-division

- At age 33 Gennady acknowledges Canelo and Cotto are "big names"

- At age 33 Golovkin was offered the GOLDEN ticket to fight Canelo at 155 - the weight which Canelo won the title at and the highest weight Canelo ever fought...Gennady declined.

Again, you can't complain that others - including "big names" - are ducking you if you won't accept the fights. The "big names" make the rules. That's just how it is. If you want to go on a tangent about "A" side/"B" side being baloney...you can make a legitimate case, however, that's just how it is for all of boxing...not just Canelo or Cotto.



Gennady didn't/doesn't care about money. Or at least so he says:

"Everyone says Canelo is a great champion, the idol of Mexico. The idol for what? For boxing? No. Or as a businessman? Right now, he looks like a businessman.

I understand this decision is maybe 20% Canelo's and 80% [his promoter], Golden Boy. It's business, but it's not respectful of boxing...For me, it's about who's the best? Who's No. 1 in the division? That's what's No. 1 to me. Second is money."


https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/1...ing-superfight

And the Canelo rematch? Gennady tried getting out of it over...MONEY. So much for fighting to find "who's best"

"After the rematch had been scuttled, the two sides tried to set up another fight for Sept. 15, reaching a tentative agreement with a 65-35 split in favor of Alvarez. But that deal was never signed and, according to Rafael, a perturbed Golovkin began to demand an even distribution of the revenue.

Golden Boy CEO Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez’s promoter, told Rafael that they would accept a 60-40 split, but 50-50 was out of the question."

Gennady whining about Ca$hnelo being a "businessman" yet is about nothing but business himself. And his cuck fanbase eats it up XD XD XD

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/0...-all-but-dead/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0436945cc86e



I can tell you are a Republican because you ignore facts, evidence, and don't "believe in" documentation.

Gennady ducked Lara for years and refused "big name" fights because he wouldn't accept Middleweight fights (155-160) against Canelo or Cotto.




This kid mocks Lara for "pricing himself out" when Gennady literally did the E X A C T same thing. Typical CUCKnaddy fans XD

Ether. Again.



AKAcronym DUCKS me and for good reason

There is no mythical A side with the power to demand and expect to get
every term of negotiations. Life don't work that way. It's two guys trying to get the best deal for themselves. Canelo has drawing power and Golovkin had the titles. Very few Middleweight title holders have ever defended their title at a catchweight. Golovkin made it clear on camera during an ESPN interview that he would only fight Mayweather at a catchweight. That's directly from the fighter not his trainer or promoter. So far he's stuck to that. Personally no title should change hands at a catchweight fight be it Golovkin or anyone else. Canelo and Golovkin ended up fighting twice the fans got to see it so what the problem.

[Boksfan]

Fighting Mexican ginger cheat is always a risk.

[TonyGe]

He still not as good as the media made him out to be

Dude that's what the media does. It sells. Its extremely rare that a person is as great as the media makes out.

[Dontbeahater]

Media hypes so what's ggg and Abel and Tom's excuse? There are direct links, video, and quotes above but you cherry picking tiny technicalities from overwhelming evidence.

They said what they said hence it caused the media to pick up on it (causation). Now they are eating crow.
Loeffler is a good promoter. He got hbo/espn to push Roman and ggg as p4p #1 and 2, transcendent talent, atg hype. Doesn't excuse the fact that Roman shouldn't have been p4p #1 and ggg is a good fighter who didn't take the risks to be considered great and has egg on his face for talking trash.

And watch you focus on Roman deserved to be #1 (he threw such amazing combinations!) and ignore all the ggg facts.

[TheSlickster]

Wasn't Ward salty toward GGG because GGG got the Jordan(or Nike i forget) sponsor deal and he didn't and is a bit biased?

[Robi13]

Dude that's what the media does. It sells. Its extremely rare that a person is as great as the media makes out.

Yeah but only dummies bought lmao

[UNBIASED BOXING]

Canelo fought:

Kirkland @ 155 in Spring, 2015
Cotto @ 155 in Fall, 2015
---Canelo offers Gennady the fight - at 155 - Gennady refused the offer/fight

"Why 155? Why not 140? This is not middleweight belt. My focus is on the middleweight division. I need all the belts in the middleweight division. This is not respectful to boxing or to the people. Right now, he's a champion in the middleweight division. Middleweight division is 160."

https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/2/1...e-middleweight

Correction, CUCKnaddy, as your supporters suggest - MW is 155-160...NOT 160. That is the MW limit.

Khan @ 155 in Spring, 2016
Smith @ 154 in Fall, 2016
JCC Jr. @ 164 in Spring, 2017

The strangest thing out of all of this is that Gennady began complaining about being ducked in 2015. He specifically criticized Canelo and Cotto for ducking - two smaller fighters. Neither Cotto or Canelo ever fought at 160, EVER.

https://www.*************.com/column...ter-in-boxing/

The media even began touting Gennady as the most "ducked fighter"...which is odd again considering Gennady's choices:

- Gennady turns pro late at 24 years old (don't know why...Canelo was pro at 15 years and that worked for him...Ca$h COW)
- Gennady stays in Germany fighting part-time boxers and full-time cab drivers for 6 years...S I X Years...why he needed extra help...will never be understood even by his most staunch supporters.
- Gennady comes to the United States at 30 years of age and, after a couple of years, creates a small following.
- At age 33 Gennady starts complaining of being ducked!

“Of course I want to fight [Cotto], he’s a legend, a big name for me,” Golovkin said via the latimes.com. “Canelo’s the guy who will fight me.”

https://www.************.com/2015/03...will-fight-me/

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/10/...e-can-get-them

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/bo...eight-division

- At age 33 Gennady acknowledges Canelo and Cotto are "big names"

- At age 33 Golovkin was offered the GOLDEN ticket to fight Canelo at 155 - the weight which Canelo won the title at and the highest weight Canelo ever fought...Gennady declined.

Again, you can't complain that others - including "big names" - are ducking you if you won't accept the fights. The "big names" make the rules. That's just how it is. If you want to go on a tangent about "A" side/"B" side being baloney...you can make a legitimate case, however, that's just how it is for all of boxing...not just Canelo or Cotto.



Gennady didn't/doesn't care about money. Or at least so he says:

"Everyone says Canelo is a great champion, the idol of Mexico. The idol for what? For boxing? No. Or as a businessman? Right now, he looks like a businessman.

I understand this decision is maybe 20% Canelo's and 80% [his promoter], Golden Boy. It's business, but it's not respectful of boxing...For me, it's about who's the best? Who's No. 1 in the division? That's what's No. 1 to me. Second is money."


https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/1...ing-superfight

And the Canelo rematch? Gennady tried getting out of it over...MONEY. So much for fighting to find "who's best"

"After the rematch had been scuttled, the two sides tried to set up another fight for Sept. 15, reaching a tentative agreement with a 65-35 split in favor of Alvarez. But that deal was never signed and, according to Rafael, a perturbed Golovkin began to demand an even distribution of the revenue.

Golden Boy CEO Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez’s promoter, told Rafael that they would accept a 60-40 split, but 50-50 was out of the question."

Gennady whining about Ca$hnelo being a "businessman" yet is about nothing but business himself. And his cuck fanbase eats it up XD XD XD

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/0...-all-but-dead/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0436945cc86e



I can tell you are a Republican because you ignore facts, evidence, and don't "believe in" documentation.

Gennady ducked Lara for years and refused "big name" fights because he wouldn't accept Middleweight fights (155-160) against Canelo or Cotto.




This kid mocks Lara for "pricing himself out" when Gennady literally did the E X A C T same thing. Typical CUCKnaddy fans XD

Ether. Again.



AKAcronym DUCKS me and for good reason

Christ, I'm just going to block this dude. Don't want to read this nonsense. Facts are facts and he provides nothing concrete, as well as twisting things. Another fatass NSB poster with 0 boxing experience living vicariously through their boxing idols. Lmao.