Which country has the most nationalistic d*ckriding fanboys?

[Lion81]

I'd say it's like a three-way tie between the US, the UK and Mexico

If this is the case, then its justified, considering these are the 3 countries that produce the most champions every year.

These three rule the boxing world, with a sprinkle of exceptions here and there.

Uk
Mexico
Us

[aAgger]

Do you really believe the UK was more racist than the US in the 70s-80s? I'm not arguing it's just kind of amazing.

That was the height of the Neo-**** white-power skinhead movement, the closest thing the UK had to the KKK. Neo-**** parties like the National Front and BNP rose to power. And skinhead racist attacks against ********** and immigrants were common, with up to 20,000 racist attacks annually up until the mid-80s. The '70s to mid-80s was a dark, ugly period in British history.

The Neo-****s were eventually defeated by the early '90s, and the UK has been largely successful in reducing racism ever since. The UK's experience in defeating extreme-right neo-******* politics in the late 20th century is one reason why the UK is one of the few Euro countries today where far-right parties suck at elections (unlike other Euro countries where far-right parties are more successful).

Back to boxing, the way a lot of British fans embrace and support their fighters, regardless of colour or creed, is empowering in some ways. African-American fighters, for example, don't get the kind of love and support from their countrymen the way Black-British fighters often do.

[Biolink]

British fans have a bad tendency to overrate their guys. P4P Phillipine fans or should I say Manny's fans are the most annoying.

[champion4ever]

The fervor, zeal and enthusiasm that British fans have for their fighters are second to none. Yes, we have had more than our share of battles and head knocking over the years.

However, there is one thing for certain which cannot be denied or questioned and that is their undying love for their fighters. They are easily the most loyal fans on the planet earth. They love their boxing and that's no lie.

[champion4ever]

This

End thread

Yes indeed, one can make a very strong argument about that point.

[Marchegiano]

That was the height of the Neo-**** white-power skinhead movement, the closest thing the UK had to the KKK. Neo-**** parties like the National Front and BNP rose to power. And skinhead racist attacks against ********** and immigrants were common, with up to 20,000 racist attacks annually up until the mid-80s. The '70s to mid-80s was a dark, ugly period in British history.

The Neo-****s were eventually defeated by the early '90s, and the UK has been largely successful in reducing racism ever since. The UK's experience in defeating extreme-right neo-******* politics in the late 20th century is one reason why the UK is one of the few Euro countries today where far-right parties suck at elections (unlike other Euro countries where far-right parties are more successful).

Back to boxing, the way a lot of British fans embrace and support their fighters, regardless of colour or creed, is empowering in some ways. African-American fighters, for example, don't get the kind of love and support from their countrymen the way Black-British fighters often do.

That's damn interesting which is pretty disarming actually

Boxing has this natural nationalism that is not in the least bit by coincidence. It was designed as a sport to be political as far back as it's ancient inception. Because of that I kind of exaggerate my position quite a lot. Like propaganda but it's meant to be in the name of fun.

That said, normally I'd double down and try to rile you but like I said at the start how interesting your post was is disarming.

So I guess I'll have to reply with something respectable:

It is admirable how Brits back Brits, but also I think it may be a source of weakness. In Dixie black men are hated and because of that they are forced to push themselves beyond where most would feel comfortable. I'm not at all saying it's good that Dixie has a constant heavy racism culture nor am I saying it's a bad thing that the UK is more civilized. But when looking at history and how boxing goes from England to America, including Rough and Tumble history, it seems to me the greatest fighters come for the most hateful backgrounds.

In English boxing history you'll find Daniel Mendoza one of if not the most important men in the entire 3k years the sport covers. He is also one of if not the most hated men in the 3k year history. In contrast you have heroes of their day like Henry Pearce who have no influence whatsoever on the sport.

Then you have the American champions come in and boy oh were they hated. Boxing was seen as a violent immigrant import. It was part of the irish immigration issue not unlike today's Mexican and border wall, but because the American audience always pushed for more while the English audience was just happy to see their champ the boxing industry made the switch without England's ok or even their belt. See Burke-Ward and read through the whole Byron debacle. Both were Englishmen but one fought in America while the other was happy at home.

Then you have the American era and I think hands down from the point where black men were eligible for the world title the black men from dixie represented the very best the world had seen. Johnson, Louis, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, and Holyfield, just stellar names. NY can have Tyson. Y'all and Canada can share Lewis, we got the only four time HW champion can you dig it?

I think if you're forced to separate champions by where they come from Dixie not only holds weight but dominates. New England can have Dempsey, John L. and Marciano because if Ali can't whoop them Louis can.

They ain't even got to be HWs. Vegas can keep Floyd, we got Robinson.

The only thing that has ever made sense of the decline of the UK and of the rise of Dixie to me is the idea that because the world is skeptical of Dixie and most of all ********** from Dixie they have to do more to get the same level of praise, Inversely because the UK is quick and loose with praise your fellas don't feel as motivated to go as far.

It's only relatively recently I've even had to question it and honestly there are bigger sociological and historical trends that answer why the UK is back on the scene. You don't have to know anything about any society to know the usual cycle when Eastern Europe dominates it will be England who clears them out then the Us clears out the UK. So, because of that I haven't even considered the rise of the UK in recent years as a challenge to my tough environment makes great toughmen theory until now.

Could be all bull****, I dunno and it's very far from my field, but that is why in my head both Ali and Louis come from the same area in America and why Lennox has been so lonely for so long as a representative of great British fighters.

[Just looking]

The country with most pseudo-nationalistic d*ckriding fanboys would be Brazil

[kidbazooka]

The country with most pseudo-nationalistic d*ckriding fanboys would be Brazil

Wtf

Are you talking about boxing or mma cuz if you’re referring to mma uk hands down is the worst with their corny ass songs they sing that’s some gay ass shiiitt.

[aAgger]

That's damn interesting which is pretty disarming actually

Boxing has this natural nationalism that is not in the least bit by coincidence. It was designed as a sport to be political as far back as it's ancient inception. Because of that I kind of exaggerate my position quite a lot. Like propaganda but it's meant to be in the name of fun.

That said, normally I'd double down and try to rile you but like I said at the start how interesting your post was is disarming.

So I guess I'll have to reply with something respectable:

It is admirable how Brits back Brits, but also I think it may be a source of weakness. In Dixie black men are hated and because of that they are forced to push themselves beyond where most would feel comfortable. I'm not at all saying it's good that Dixie has a constant heavy racism culture nor am I saying it's a bad thing that the UK is more civilized. But when looking at history and how boxing goes from England to America, including Rough and Tumble history, it seems to me the greatest fighters come for the most hateful backgrounds.

In English boxing history you'll find Daniel Mendoza one of if not the most important men in the entire 3k years the sport covers. He is also one of if not the most hated men in the 3k year history. In contrast you have heroes of their day like Henry Pearce who have no influence whatsoever on the sport.

Then you have the American champions come in and boy oh were they hated. Boxing was seen as a violent immigrant import. It was part of the irish immigration issue not unlike today's Mexican and border wall, but because the American audience always pushed for more while the English audience was just happy to see their champ the boxing industry made the switch without England's ok or even their belt. See Burke-Ward and read through the whole Byron debacle. Both were Englishmen but one fought in America while the other was happy at home.

Then you have the American era and I think hands down from the point where black men were eligible for the world title the black men from dixie represented the very best the world had seen. Johnson, Louis, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, and Holyfield, just stellar names. NY can have Tyson. Y'all and Canada can share Lewis, we got the only four time HW champion can you dig it?

I think if you're forced to separate champions by where they come from Dixie not only holds weight but dominates. New England can have Dempsey, John L. and Marciano because if Ali can't whoop them Louis can.

They ain't even got to be HWs. Vegas can keep Floyd, we got Robinson.

The only thing that has ever made sense of the decline of the UK and of the rise of Dixie to me is the idea that because the world is skeptical of Dixie and most of all ********** from Dixie they have to do more to get the same level of praise, Inversely because the UK is quick and loose with praise your fellas don't feel as motivated to go as far.

It's only relatively recently I've even had to question it and honestly there are bigger sociological and historical trends that answer why the UK is back on the scene. You don't have to know anything about any society to know the usual cycle when Eastern Europe dominates it will be England who clears them out then the Us clears out the UK. So, because of that I haven't even considered the rise of the UK in recent years as a challenge to my tough environment makes great toughmen theory until now.

Could be all bull****, I dunno and it's very far from my field, but that is why in my head both Ali and Louis come from the same area in America and why Lennox has been so lonely for so long as a representative of great British fighters.

Interesting theory. A number of GOATs like Louis, Robinson, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, etc. were African-American fighters who grew up as third-class citizens (up until the '60s). There was a time when Ali was widely hated by America in the '60s. And before that, greats like Dempsey and Marciano grew up experiencing anti-Irish and anti-Italian bigotry.

My point about the UK was that there was a time when the UK had a big racism problem in the '70s and '80s, with ********** living in fear of neo-******* skinheads. And that's the kind of environment that black & brown UK fighters of that era grew up in, e.g. Lennox Lewis, Naseem Hamed, Chris Eubank, Frank Bruno, etc.

But British fighters of today's era have grown up in an environment where Britain is a lot more tolerant. Yet UK fighters have been very successful in recent years. Which might be a counter-point to your theory.

[aAgger]

Wtf

Are you talking about boxing or mma cuz if you’re referring to mma uk hands down is the worst with their corny ass songs they sing that’s some gay ass shiiitt.

Not true. British MMA fighters don't get much support from their countrymen the way UK boxers do.