Comments Thread For: Hearn Erupts: Wilder Wants 60-40 For Joshua? F*** Off!

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Wilder and Fury said the fight was made but not signed. It then took over a month for anything official this is when Hearn said about them managing to agree a fight with out a date or venue. They took over a month to sign because they had to sort date an venue according to Warren & Wilder. Finkel said that he knew the date and venue all along. What don't you understand?

But agreeing to a fight without a date or venue is easy when the contract states the time period and that there will be no intervening fights. Wilder's offer to AJ stated the months the fight could took place and stated the fight must be next. When you have that kind of language, you can agree to a fight without a date or venue. Hearn refused that language, so Wilder couldn't agree without a date or venue. That's the difference.

As for Finkel, Finkel was simply stating that he knew the date & venue long before the announcement, during that period of time people were claiming the fight wasn't done. He wasn't claiming he knew the date & venue before the fight was agreed to.

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Logically he wouldn't have got the mando delayed if he wanted Povetkin.

False. Delaying the mando, negotiating with Wilder etc, having the threat of the Wilder fight to delay Povetkin until April, etc is what gave Hearn his leverage with WOB. WOB would have no incentive otherwise to agree to a rematch clause, agree to go to England, etc. Hearn knows what he's doing. You negotiate two fights simultaneously to put pressure on both sides to give you the best deal possible in hopes of landing the fight NEXT. Had WOB not been willing to play ball, then Hearn's preference may have shifted to Wilder, but all things being equal, Povetkin was clearly the preference.

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False. Delaying the mando, negotiating with Wilder etc, having the threat of the Wilder fight to delay Povetkin until April, etc is what gave Hearn his leverage with WOB. WOB would have no incentive otherwise to agree to a rematch clause, agree to go to England, etc. Hearn knows what he's doing. You negotiate two fights simultaneously to put pressure on both sides to give you the best deal possible in hopes of landing the fight NEXT. Had WOB not been willing to play ball, then Hearn's preference may have shifted to Wilder, but all things being equal, Povetkin was clearly the preference.

You're just wrong making up a story and you didn't address why Wilder bought the date up after Povetkin was announced.

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But agreeing to a fight without a date or venue is easy when the contract states the time period and that there will be no intervening fights. Wilder's offer to AJ stated the months the fight could took place and stated the fight must be next. When you have that kind of language, you can agree to a fight without a date or venue. Hearn refused that language, so Wilder couldn't agree without a date or venue. That's the difference.

As for Finkel, Finkel was simply stating that he knew the date & venue long before the announcement, during that period of time people were claiming the fight wasn't done. He wasn't claiming he knew the date & venue before the fight was agreed to.

There was no contract because the date and venue wasn't decided. Debunked both your lies in one, light work.

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You're just wrong making up a story and you didn't address why Wilder bought the date up after Povetkin was announced.

I'm sorry that you don't like the facts. Denial can be a powerful thing. Wilder brought the date up because when Hearn finally sent the contract, it made no mention whatsoever of when the fight would be. When Finkel objected to signing an open ended contract, Hearn asked for a few more days to solidify a date. That's when the WBA made their convenient announcement. Had Hearn really wanted the fight, he would have told the WBA "Wilder just agreed to the fight, I'm supposed to send him the date at the end of the week, the fight is definitely happening."

Instead he told the WBA "Oh ****, I can't believe Wilder actually agreed to the flat fee. Please say we have to fight Povetkin so these ******ed UK fans won't realize we ducked Wilder."

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Like we have been saying, Hearn doesn't want the fight. And from what I remember Wilder wanted 50% not 40 LMAO. He wants Wilder to accept another lowball offer and doesn't want the Fury numbers to come in to negotiate.

Fact of the matter is AJ numbers are **** in the US, his numbers in UK are dropping, and his fans only want 1 fight from him so Hearn needs to start being a little more flexible in his thinking.

Do you not think that its obvious that AJ's numbers fell for the Povetkin fight because it wasn't AJ v Wilder? That's a good reason why they fell. If it was AJ v Wilder, the UK numbers would skyrocket and tickets would sell quick.

I doesn't appear that AJ is that bothered about his numbers in the US now that DAZN will make him more 'available' to that market?

That's why he is wanting the fight in the UK, not the US. The UK fans have been good to him and he's the clear A side so it should be on his terms but I love that Hearn has set a minimum PPV of 1m.

Having never watched a US PPV, do you think this is achievable?

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I'm sorry that you don't like the facts. Denial can be a powerful thing. Wilder brought the date up because when Hearn finally sent the contract, it made no mention whatsoever of when the fight would be. When Finkel objected to signing an open ended contract, Hearn asked for a few more days to solidify a date. That's when the WBA made their convenient announcement. Had Hearn really wanted the fight, he would have told the WBA "Wilder just agreed to the fight, I'm supposed to send him the date at the end of the week, the fight is definitely happening."

Instead he told the WBA "Oh ****, I can't believe Wilder actually agreed to the flat fee. Please say we have to fight Povetkin so these ******ed UK fans won't realize we ducked Wilder."

Facts? you're conveniently warping the time frame and forgetting Wilder had the contract 2 weeks and moaned after the fight was off the cards. WBA conspiracy theory thing is dumb and made up they'd make more money sanctioning the Wilder fight. Be careful not to injure yourself when reaching that far.

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There was no contract because the date and venue wasn't decided. Debunked both your lies in one, light work.

No, you're wrong. Contracts are signed all the time without specific date & venue, but they list the time frame the fight can take place in and they guarantee the fight will be next. Those are the key elements Hearn's contract was missing, which is why Wilder couldn't sign.

Arguing with you is pointless because if you don't like the facts, you just label them "a story."

If Hearn wanted AJ to fight Wilder on September 22, then the fight would have happened on September 22. Wilder was fully willing to fight on that date. Hearn didn't want it. Plain and simple.

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Wilder had the contract 2 weeks and moaned after the fight was off the cards.

That's a lie. Hearn tried to trick idiots like you into believing Wilder had the contract two weeks by sending it on a every and then claiming the next Friday, "he's had it two weeks!" even though it'd been 8 days. Which is nothing in terms of how long it usually takes attorneys to go over such a lucrative and complicated deal. Povetkin had the contract far longer than that before signing.

WBA conspiracy theory thing is dumb and made up they'd make more money sanctioning the Wilder fight.

That's a lie. Once the purses are that high, the WBA makes the same amount regardless because there are caps on the fees they can charge. Shows how little you know about the boxing business and is a great example of you trying to act like an expert about a subject you know absolutely nothing about. This is how I've made my full time living for 20 years. You're not going to be able to out argue me about how sanctioning bodies operate.

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No, you're wrong. Contracts are signed all the time without specific date & venue, but they list the time frame the fight can take place in and they guarantee the fight will be next. Those are the key elements Hearn's contract was missing, which is why Wilder couldn't sign.

Arguing with you is pointless because if you don't like the facts, you just label them "a story."

If Hearn wanted AJ to fight Wilder on September 22, then the fight would have happened on September 22. Wilder was fully willing to fight on that date. Hearn didn't want it. Plain and simple.

No your being deliberately dumb there was no contracts created to sign at the point I reference because or for the reason that Warren & Wilder stated the date and venue was undecided, proven by them signing a month later and posting it on social media.

You made up that Hearn wouldn't have the fight next because there was no date, this is your theory or story. Saying its a fact doesn't make it so.

Waisting my time with you, you won't admit Wilder or his team would do any wrong if it was caught on camera (like Finkel Lying). The fact you claim to be unbiased just prooves you're a liar along with all the I work with DAZN crap.