Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz Accepts Dillian Whyte's Offer To Fight on 12/22 in UK

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Is Haymon a promoter or a manager? I always hear the latter. And I'm specifically referring to guys like Spence.

Haymon is a manager. If you watch PBC you'll see that those fights are actually promoted by Dibella, Mayweather, and sometimes the fighters them selves.

[Kezzer]

You guys presume and assume far too much. Not everybody has the same deal/contract terms with a promoter. Who owns who after the contract is signed is usually down to the paper it was written on but in some cases not even that. Look at AJ, Eddie Hearn could barely afford it ignore what he says?

[Hot Shyt]

That's actually factually incorrect. Once a fighter signs with a promoter, the promoter can go after any fight that he wants, by that same token, the promoter does not have to make a fight because the boxer wants it. Promoters don't work for the fighter, it's the other way around. Promoters are in it to maximize their own revenue, and they'll always push the fighter on the route that line their pockets, which is one of the reasons the Ali act was so important for the protection of boxers. A boxer can request the promoter go after a fight, but in the end, the promoter can say he doesn't want to make that fight, or the fight is not financially viable. The fighter either takes the fights that are offered, or sits on the shelf until the contract runs out, similar to Ward and Mikey.

Now managers are a whole different thing, Managers are under contract to the Boxer, so the manager is employed by the boxer. So a boxer can say go get me this fight, and the manager can advise against, but in the end, if the boxer says get it, the manager will try to secure the best deal, and then the boxer has to decline or except. Some managers have huge sway like Al Haymon, and most of his boxers will heed his advise, the boxers who don't usually don't come out good on the other end, just look at Khan, and how Jacobs viewership declined after signing with Hearn, and now he will be losing his deal with HBO.

Is Haymon a promoter or a manager? I always hear the latter. And I'm specifically referring to guys like Spence.

[Oshio]

Would Wilder fan base finally respects Whyte IF he beats Ortiz? Would Whyte suddenly become a good boxer in the HW? Just musing

[Oshio]

Would Wilder fan base finally respects Whyte IF he beats Ortiz? Would Whyte suddenly become a good boxer in the HW? Just musing

[Jkp]

Yeah, the fans expected a lot more from Molina after watching highlights of him landing clean shots and sending Wilder staggering around the ring on rubber legs.

But he turned out to be levels below AJ.

Thats an under statement. The first fighter I've ever seen not even bother to walk to the middle of the ring for the opening bell.

Should of been ruled a no contest he put so little effort in, and fans should of been refunded.Eddie should of been disciplined for such a crap card.

[PotentialToast]

Parker wsan't rated in the WBC. As far as they are concerned he has 1 close call victory over Chisora

Idiot. He wasn't rated when he fought AJ because he was WBO champ. After the loss to Whyte, he was rated 5 and I believe currently 6.

[kafkod]

The stadium was full of eric Molina fans when he fought aj, molina was the big draw card that sold the 90'000 seats. They all turned up to see him not even try to throw punch and cower next to the ropes waiting for his cheque.

Yeah, the fans expected a lot more from Molina after watching highlights of him landing clean shots and sending Wilder staggering around the ring on rubber legs.

But he turned out to be levels below AJ.

[Jkp]

Does any world champion ever want a mandatory challenger who has no fan base and brings no money to the table?

Not really wanting to fight him is one thing .. being scared of him is something else.

Be honest .. was there anything about Ortiz's performances against Malik Scott and Dave Allen that would have made Hearn and AJ scared of fighting him?

The stadium was full of eric Molina fans when he fought aj, molina was the big draw card that sold the 90'000 seats. They all turned up to see him not even try to throw punch and cower next to the ropes waiting for his cheque.

[hhh1200]

Pretty damn sweeping statement there mate. Fury and AJ both made fights against Klitschko work when Wilder never even tried.

Finkle clearly stated, Wilder's baby bottle wasn't warm enough to fight Wlad for Undisputed 33-0. Yes, he will over 30 fights into his career and wasn't prepared for an Undisputed fight but AJ has pretty much fought the division within 22-23 fight.