Why are American boxers so inactive?

[Pigeons]

Al Haymon's business model isn't built on activity. He just tries to extract as much money from the networks as possible at the expense of keeping a fighter active. It may be good for the bottom line, but it doesn't build fighters' fanbases.


Gary Russell Jr. has fought just once in each of the past four years.


Jermall Charlo has fought just once in each of the past two years.



Jermell Charllo has fought just once in two of the past three years.

[Eff Pandas]

No.

You're the one making the claim that Eddie is doing this (which was wrong) & now that Eddie is doing that (which you're opting out on now) lmfao.

And if they're so great, why HBO didn't want to commit a budget to it?

HBO has gotten out of the boxing business not the Golden Boy business. The funny part with you bringing this up is HBO didn't wanna even get into the Eddie Hearn business fully & thats why 15k US fans, or w/e the record low number was, watched this Joshua fight a couple weeks back.

[champion4ever]

Well sh^t there's your first problem with why you think DAZN fails. You think its an "online live streaming boxing service". Its not. Its a streaming live sports service. Boxing is merely the most notable angle to it currently, or at least to us it is. Others are watching it for the MMA or soccer (or maybe thats some bs soccer they got on DAZN idk I don't watch soccer) right now I'm assuming. In 3, 5 or 10 years down the line I imagine they'll be showing many more sports & people will get DAZN cuz of some other sport besides boxing.

Yeah you are right. I should have called it an online streaming live sports service because DAZN offers much more than just boxing but other sports also. Therefore, I extend my sincere apologies for that earlier statement as I stand corrected.

[NC Uppercut]

Spence, Charlos, Gervonta Davis, Jarrett Hurd,
Gary Russell Jr etc etc etc

Surely these talented guys should be fighting three times year?

It’s not just American fighters... look at Fury, Stevenson, Saunders, Fres Oqeundo, Brook, etc.. the list could go on for days. It’s more of a promotional problem than a fighters problem

[Abovetheclouds]

It’s not just American fighters... look at Fury, Stevenson, Saunders, Fres Oqeundo, Brook, etc.. the list could go on for days. It’s more of a promotional problem than a fighters problem

You could be right and it's a damn shame.

[asgarth]

Again I ask who are these power brokers in boxing that I'm missing out on that are providing their world class fighters with 3 fights a year? I would like to see these active mfers or visit the alternate dimension you are from where this is actually happening.

I talked about up and coming fightera in that quote, you left that out.

And most of the uk guy you mentioned had three fights a year when they were beating on gatekeeper and fringe level guys.
At championship level most fighters are onoy fighting two timea a year, but i didnt say otherwise.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Al Haymon's business model isn't built on activity. He just tries to extract as much money from the networks as possible at the expense of keeping a fighter active. It may be good for the bottom line, but it doesn't build fighters' fanbases.


Gary Russell Jr. has fought just once in each of the past four years.


Jermall Charlo has fought just once in each of the past two years.



Jermell Charllo has fought just once in two of the past three years.

YEa but, they get paid though. Doesn’t that make you all warm and fuzzy inside? If not, ydksab. “Boxing is a business”.

[LoadedWraps]

Spence, Charlos, Gervonta Davis, Jarrett Hurd,
Gary Russell Jr etc etc etc

Surely these talented guys should be fighting three times year?

3 times a year isn't active, looking at the history of the sport.

Champions used to fight 17 times a year or more back in the day.

[SteveM]

I think it's as simple as boxers are a lot more informed now and they realise that once they raise their competition level and start taking more blows to the head then they are risking long term serious injury.

I have no opinion on what kind of guy Haymon is as I've never heard the guy speak or seen him quoted. But... many of his fighters say he really cares for them and presumably that means he cares about their health and their bank balances. If he is as influential as is made out and he is giving them financial advice such as "you can retire on $2 million if you invest it right" then why would we expect his stable to be fighting 3 times/year or even 2?

I also think that US urban culture is in some ways a counter culture to the decades-established American Dream culture. The new thinking and culture puts more emphasis on playing it smart, don't make any mistakes and don't get ripped off. And this culture has also become entrenched in many parts of western europe too. Too many kids lose their youth working in some dead-end job waiting on a monthly check that never quite stretches to cover all the committments never mind desires. So boxing as a career and nettingf half a million every year for years on end has its attractions.

Plus, the last years the world economy has been in the doldrums - there is only so much disposable income to be tapped. Maybe with the US economy firing on all cylinders again then more events can be put on - although still not sure if many elite boxers will find the risk reward attractive.

[SteveM]

You could be right and it's a damn shame.

Throw your support behind wbss because the 2 finalists are fighting 3 times a year - the more success those tournaments have the more money they can offer and the more boxers will enter - a virtuous upward cycle for fans and boxers.