Comments Thread For: Victor Conte Hopes Commission Upholds Saunders' Positive Test

[Robbie Barrett]

I never said that (oxilofrine) ephedrine was juicing because it's not an anabolic steroid. I said it was doping because it gives users an unfair edge and advantage by increasing their weight loss, stamina, oxygen, blood pressure while stimulating their central nervous systems in the process.

That drug is currently banned by both the Track and Field, NCAA, Major League Baseball and the National Football League. It's a banned substance in the states. No use of that substance is permitted or allowed period according to the VADA protocols. Had this been UKAD or WADA and the Great Britain had jurisdiction over the bout he would have been just fine but it's not; It's The U.S. Where testing is more stringent.

Wrong. Track and Field follow WADA rules. Almost all the commissions in the US follow WADA rules. WADA rules are that it's allowed out of competition. Only VADA says it's not. He was under the allowed limit for VADA too.

"The results of the analysis are as follows: Adverse. Urine specimen number 4248408: oxilofrine detected. Note the following is also contained on the laboratory report: 'Opinions: oxilofrine may have resulted from the administration of ephedrine which was also detected but below the decision limit of 11ug/ml. The estimated concentration of ephedrine is 4.6 ug/ml.'"

So what you have is a positive test that could have come from a legal amount of Ephedrine.

[champion4ever]

Ephedrine isn't juicing. Not even close. Was used in almost every fat burner product until people started od'ing on it and ****ing up their heart.

Only VADA says it's banned out of competition. He didn't break any commission rules. Even was under VADA's allowed limit.

I never said that (oxilofrine) ephedrine was juicing because it's not an anabolic steroid. I said it was doping because it gives users an unfair edge and advantage by increasing their weight loss, stamina, oxygen, blood pressure while stimulating their central nervous systems in the process.

That drug is currently banned by both the Track and Field, NCAA, Major League Baseball and the National Football League. It's a banned substance in the states. No use of that substance is permitted or allowed period according to the VADA protocols. Had this been UKAD or WADA or even Great Britain where, it would have had jurisdiction over this bout, then perhaps he would have been just fine but it's not; It's The U.S. Where testing is more stringent here.

[champion4ever]

Wrong. Track and Field follow WADA rules. Almost all the commissions in the US follow WADA rules. WADA rules are that it's allowed out of competition. Only VADA says it's not. He was under the allowed limit for VADA too.

"The results of the analysis are as follows: Adverse. Urine specimen number 4248408: oxilofrine detected. Note the following is also contained on the laboratory report: 'Opinions: oxilofrine may have resulted from the administration of ephedrine which was also detected but below the decision limit of 11ug/ml. The estimated concentration of ephedrine is 4.6 ug/ml.'"

So what you have is a positive test that could have come from a legal amount of Ephedrine.

However, it is still on the banned list of substances by VADA; Before or during competition. Which has also at least 10 times the potency of clenbuterol.

[Robbie Barrett]

However, it is still on the banned list of substances by VADA; Before or during competition.

But it could have come from a legal amount of Ephedrine. So there's the possibility he didn't break the VADA rules either. Be ****** to ban someone that didn't break the commission rules and might not have even broke the VADA rules.

[champion4ever]

But it could have come from a legal amount of Ephedrine. So there's the possibility he didn't break the VADA rules either. Be ****** to ban someone that didn't break the commission rules and might not have even broke the VADA rules.

In the states it does not matter. If he had a medical condition then he should have disclosed it and then perhaps he could have been given an exemption but he did not.

He kept it concealed which raised a lot of su****ions. You don't get it. I understand that you are from England but this is not under UKAD or WADA protocol; This is VADA protocol where they have the jurisdiction.

The drug is banned period without exemption. It's on the list of banned substances by VADA. It's clear and simple as night and day.

A professional athlete's system has to be clean at all times in the states. You cannot have any type of drug even if it's so much as an aspirin in your system without receiving prior knowledge. Obviously BJS misunderstood the rules of the US based VADA testing system.

[Robbie Barrett]

In the states it does not matter. If he had a medical condition then he should have disclosed it and then perhaps he could have been given an exemption but he did not.

He kept it concealed which raised a lot of su****ions. You don't get it. I understand that you are from England but this is not under UKAD or WADA protocol; This is VADA protocol where they have the jurisdiction.

The drug is banned period without exemption. It's on the list of banned substances by VADA. It's clear and simple as night and day.

A professional athlete's system has to be clean at all times in the states. You cannot have any type of drug even if it's so much as an aspirin in your system without receiving prior knowledge. Obviously BJS misunderstood the rules of the US based VADA testing system.

What do you mean it doesn't matter? If it's in the legal limit of course it matters, it means he didn't break the rules. It's not banned "period" if they have a limit. He was under that limit.

You have no clue of what you're talking about, You're trying to make it a US vs UK thing. The US commissions follow the same damn rules as UKAD, the WADA rules. VADA doesn't.

[yammy25]

Didn't read.

No surprise, UKAD is behind on everything as usual.

Xenophobia rearing it's head again I see..

Can always count on you for the British conspiracy theories

[champion4ever]

What do you mean it doesn't matter? If it's in the legal limit of course it matters, it means he didn't break the rules. It's not banned "period" if they have a limit. He was under that limit.

You have no clue of what you're talking about, You're trying to make it a US vs UK thing. The US commissions follow the same damn rules as UKAD, the WADA rules. VADA doesn't.

Not this time. Both fighters agreed to the VADA testing protocol and the Massachusetts State Athletic Commission is going to make their final decision on Billy Joe Saunders based off the findings, research and testing of the VADA report submitted to them; Not the UKAD or WADA report but the VADA report. It's plain and simple and there is nothing else I can say about this topic.

[Robbie Barrett]

Not this time. Both fighters agreed to the VADA testing protocol and the Massachusetts State Athletic Commission is going to make their final decision on Billy Joe Saunders based off the findings, research and testing of the VADA report submitted to them; Not the UKAD or WADA report but the VADA report. It's plain and simple and there is nothing else I can say about this topic.

VADA's report is below.

"The results of the analysis are as follows: Adverse. Urine specimen number 4248408: oxilofrine detected. Note the following is also contained on the laboratory report: 'Opinions: oxilofrine may have resulted from the administration of ephedrine which was also detected but below the decision limit of 11ug/ml. The estimated concentration of ephedrine is 4.6 ug/ml.'"

The positive test could have come from a below the limit dose of Ephedrine. That's not enough IMO. Saunders should be fine and cleared to fight.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Why would UKAD ban him when by their regulations he was perfectly fine to take it at the time?

People just want Saunders to lose the belt - since nobody's been able to take it from him in the ring.