Comments Thread For: Hearn Makes "Improved" Wilder-Joshua Offer, Asks For Meeting

[P4Pdunny]

Charles Martin (who basically won his title because the IBF's #1 rated fighter tore up his knee by tripping over his own foot), Joseph Parker (who just got beat by Dillian Whyte, lol) and, all respect in the world to him, an aging Wladimir Klitschko who was two years removed from being made to look ancient by Tyson Fury in his last fight.

You can't simply ignore context because it kills the story you want to tell.

What are you talking about? If these three are the top heavyweights how can the winner of Fury/Wilder be the best without fighting AJ? Look at it objectively most of you look at it from an emotional standpoint. Unless you related to one of these guys I don’t understand it.

[Kezzer]

What you wrote makes very little sense. First you have no information on what percentage was offered, and you don't even know what the guarantee is. How do you pass judgement with out facts? What makes even less sense is that Hearn clearly states in this interview that he just sent the new offer, and is waiting for a response, so whats the deal with your first sentence? And if they tell Hearn they don't want to negotiate while Wilder has a current fight signed, that's actually not a big deal, because that's how most boxers operate. Negotiating the next fight while preparing for a current fight is rarely done, for anyone to even suggest not doing that equals ducking is obviously biased. Wilder will be concentrating on preparing for Fury, and his "people" who are his managers, can't negotiate or make a move with out him, they aren't his promoters. The prudent thing to do, is for Hearn to back off until Wilder vs. Fury is over. If what Hearn is saying is true, then he is showing that he's willing to negotiate a deal that's more favorable to Wilder, he still has to wait till the fight is over, unless Wilder decides to negotiate now, which I don't think he will. The reality is Hearn is desperate to get Wilder to sign before the fight is over, because if Wilder vs. Fury makes even respectable numbers, Hearn/AJ lose more money to Wilder. It's absolutely a good business move for Hearn, but it'll be bad business for Wilder. Try putting yourself in the shoes of both parties, take out the who's ducking who, and you'll probably develop an unbiased perspective.

Both Joshua and wilder have had contracts signed before another fight so hardly an argument. There is a huge marketing advantage to doing it. See Joshua klitschko after the Molina fight or fury wilder in Ireland for example.

You inadvertently made the same point I was making. Lots of wilder fanboys have come on he claiming it's a bogus offer etc without yet waiting for a response, etc and making an assumption. If, as hS now widely been circulated in the media, the offer is 35% with $20m guarantee that is not a bad deal for wilder. I doubt he will get more than that in his fight with fury? Would they make a $40 mil profit (not revenue)?

Joshua has already made clear he will have the fight in the U.K. Only - not based on financials. This is the same as other American stars have dictated in the past when they were the a side. So wilder will, if he wants to step up, have to agree to those terms. Even with a win over fury it's pretty unlikely that will change.

Joshua has other options; Whyte in April, Ortiz, Miller.", Chinese guy or usyk end of 2019 all viable options. He has already indicated that fight he wants to be outside U.K. (Not in unification vs wilder) so it looks increasingly likely I think will either be april or 2020.

[thack]

All promoters are liars but some are good enough to start the imagination rolling .Eddie and his senile (let it marinade for another two years!) old man are simply greedy ,amateurish,smash and grab merchants .They were carefully building Joshua's career and making him excellent money with the fans behind them. Now the same supportive fans are being made to look prat's for standing behind him.

Eddie and the purple faced old boy are a real pair of wankers, they could have took the fans support to an even higher level but their greed and lack of confidence in A.J. has slowed it all down to the point of Dillian Whyte at Wembley if you don't.

It's another case of Eddie Hearn, again, running in the ring before the fights over.That's his nature!

[Noelanthony]

hearn already brainwashed you into changing shelly's name. what else has he brainwashed you into believing?

Hold on were you not aware that Winkel used the media in situations and delicate times where the media was not required.

Sweetheart you are not being objective when you post

[Kezzer]

Stiverne loss was in his 13th professional fight; following that, Stiverne went something like 12-0-1, was the WBC Silver champion and rated #1 by the WBC, and was basically seen by everyone as a top 5, if not top 3 heavyweight fighter in the sport.

Again, there's no need to lie.

Eric Molina, Joseph Parker, Dominic Breazeale, Carlos Takam, Dillian Whyte, etc are all about the same level of fighters, with Charles Martin and Gerald Washington both being below that, and and Povetkin/Klitschko/Ortiz being above that.

Any objective look at the resumes of Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua would have then basically equal with the Povetkin fight, with Wilder's first three years as a pro coming in the kind of learning fights that Anthony Joshua basically picked up by fighting on an actual national boxing team, with the national coaches (Rob McCracken in particular) schooling him.

Wow. I know there are fanboys but first person I saw put the resumes as equals.

Wilder has been about twice as long as his big fights are.

Ortiz - credible
Stiverne - maybe top5 at the time but quite visibly top20 sort of opponent
? - don't even know who you put third?

Versus :
Klitschko - hall of famer
Povetkin - widely regarded as number 3
Parker - was regarded as number 3 at the time; most still have top 10; some top5
Then on back of that you have Whyte, Brezeale, Takam, etc

Honestly buddy - you can argue wilder might win but trying to say resumes are comparable is just silly. It made me laugh when I saw wilder claim nobody has done what he has done taking on Ortiz for the exact same reason!

[N/A]

Hold on were you not aware that Winkel used the media in situations and delicate times where the media was not required.

If Hearn can convince you to change a man's name, he can convince you of anything.

[McNulty]

Yeah, they don't want to meet right now because they're in the middle of a pre-fight press tour. This mong!

[JayCho]

Charles Martin (who basically won his title because the IBF's #1 rated fighter tore up his knee by tripping over his own foot), Joseph Parker (who just got beat by Dillian Whyte, lol) and, all respect in the world to him, an aging Wladimir Klitschko who was two years removed from being made to look ancient by Tyson Fury in his last fight.

You can't simply ignore context because it kills the story you want to tell.

And wilder won his belt by beating stiverne on points, whats your point?

[Noelanthony]

I agree with this. I think Hearn is taking a shot in the dark to see if he can get them to agree to an offer now rather then taking a chance and possibly having to pay more if Wilder vs. Fury does big business. If they don't take it, at the very least he's signalling they are ready to talk, and (if Hearn's new offer is actually an improvement) are more open to negotiating a better deal more favorable to Wilder. Hearn has to be careful though, because if he keeps pushing and Wilder's team clearly states the'll negotiate after the fight, then when the fights over Hearn says "oh it's to late now", he could look really bad. But I don't see a problem with what he's doing, it makes perfect business sense.

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[Noelanthony]

Lmao! Seriously pimp.. you don't believe that hearn lowballed Wilder and caused all this mess? Now he's sending another improved offer to make it seem like he's trying to make the fight.. eddie went from 12.5 to 15m to12.5%.. After dec 1.. 15%? Lmao. Luckily yawl got fury cause eddie germ the Spaghetti worm hearn is a making yawl entire country look bad. Smh..

Let’s see the percentage offer first before we him.

You want the fight don’t you? So surely it’s a positive move in the right direction