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  • LoadedWraps
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    #61
    Originally posted by JcLazyX210
    Belts are meaningless unless it's the lineal title, undisputed title or ring title. Fury has the lineal , nobody is undisputed and AJ has the ring and as far as belts the WBC is the best and Deontay has that. It's pretty even.
    Nice Jordan's but my Shaq 1s are flyer.

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    • davefromvancouv
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      #62
      Originally posted by Sid-Knee
      I've already told you Joshua wasn't yet ready but changed the course of his career after all the talking from Martin.

      Yeah, Joshua couldn't possibly fight Wilder after struggling with that bum Spilka and knocking him out. No, he instead went for that no hoper Wladimir Klitschko. Haha.
      Actually this is the first time you're admitting that Joshua wasn't ready for Wilder, opting instead to fight the IBF champion Martin. No shame in that and no shame in NOT fighting Wilder now. But, it DOES mean that Joshua is not REALLY number 1 UNTIL he fights the man that previously held his belts (Fury) or the man he has avoided since he started picking up the belts (Wilder).

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        #63
        Originally posted by Sid-Knee
        If they are meaningless, then how can you consider Wilder to be pretty much equal with Joshua? It can't be drawing power. It can't be by how much money they make. It can't be resume. So yeah, he isn't close to being equal.

        Who cares if Fury beat Wlad before Joshua did? It was still a very good win. Better than Wilder's whole career combined.
        I just feel like both Deontay and AJ are honestly untested. If Deontay bears Tyson he's number #1 to me. He will be the lineal champion.

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          #64
          Originally posted by LoadedWraps
          Nice Jordan's but my Shaq 1s are flyer.
          I need to take that picture down. I am honestly not really a sneaker head anymore. I don't really the point of spending over $100 for sneakers. For $200 I rather buy a gun than a pair of sneakers.

          Shaqs reebok sneakers were nice.

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            #65
            Originally posted by davefromvancouv
            Actually this is the first time you're admitting that Joshua wasn't ready for Wilder, opting instead to fight the IBF champion Martin. No shame in that and no shame in NOT fighting Wilder now. But, it DOES mean that Joshua is not REALLY number 1 UNTIL he fights the man that previously held his belts (Fury) or the man he has avoided since he started picking up the belts (Wilder).
            Wtf you talking about. Everybody knows Joshua is #1 and by some distance. Wilder is current #2 and will be defending that status against fury.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Kezzer
              Wtf you talking about. Everybody knows Joshua is #1 and by some distance. Wilder is current #2 and will be defending that status against fury.
              I agree that Joshua is ranked number 1 by most rating boards, but REALLY, how on earth can you be number 1 if you're not ready to fight the only champion you avoided your whole career? Because Wilder's too easy? Joshua is still developing after 22 fights and should be ready to fight Wilder in 2020.

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                #67
                Originally posted by davefromvancouv
                I agree that Joshua is ranked number 1 by most rating boards, but REALLY, how on earth can you be number 1 if you're not ready to fight the only champion you avoided your whole career? Because Wilder's too easy? Joshua is still developing after 22 fights and should be ready to fight Wilder in 2020.
                His resumes includes numerous top5/10/20 fighters; far beyond that of wilder or any other top10 fighter. That’s why.

                Agree we want both to fight but neither agreed to yet, and at this moment wilders team won’t even meet to discuss an offer, of 35% w/ $20mil guarantee with rematch both ways, so Joshua will have to carry on - and will remain rank #1 until he loses and preferably him and wilder fight down the line.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Kezzer
                  His resumes includes numerous top5/10/20 fighters; far beyond that of wilder or any other top10 fighter. That’s why.

                  Agree we want both to fight but neither agreed to yet, and at this moment wilders team won’t even meet to discuss an offer, of 35% w/ $20mil guarantee with rematch both ways, so Joshua will have to carry on - and will remain rank #1 until he loses and preferably him and wilder fight down the line.
                  Wilder and Fury were champions before Joshua ever came on the scene. When Fury left, Wilder was the only champion in the division. Joshua's resume means nothing if it doesn't include Wilder or Fury, in my view, especially since Joshua went out of his way to avoid Wilder, and Fury never lost his belts in the ring. But now that Wilder and Fury are fighting and Wilder has a chance to be the lineal champion, I believe that view is going to be shared by more and more fans.

                  I also think it's understandable that Wilder's team suspends any talks with Matchroom until after this historic fight. The 35% w/ $20 million guarantee may need to be improved if the fight does good numbers...

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by davefromvancouv
                    Actually this is the first time you're admitting that Joshua wasn't ready for Wilder, opting instead to fight the IBF champion Martin. No shame in that and no shame in NOT fighting Wilder now. But, it DOES mean that Joshua is not REALLY number 1 UNTIL he fights the man that previously held his belts (Fury) or the man he has avoided since he started picking up the belts (Wilder).
                    I'm saying Joshua wasn't really ready or planning on fighting at that level before the Martin fight. It's only after Martin started all his tough talk that Joshua went after him. He was ready after that fight though.

                    Joshua is ready to fight Wilder now, but Wilder is being a deluded diva and pricing himself out. Hearn is trying to get in touch with his team to sort a fight out for April but again they don't want to know. Just like last time.

                    Why would he fight this version of Fury? He's got standards unlike Wilder. He wanted him to get back to his best before they fight otherwise it wouldn't mean anything. But don't get it twisted and think Joshua was avoiding Fury. Joshua would have no problem fighting this shot version and knocking him clean out. But it wouldn't mean a thing.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by JcLazyX210
                      I just feel like both Deontay and AJ are honestly untested. If Deontay bears Tyson he's number #1 to me. He will be the lineal champion.
                      You beat Fury who isn't really top 10 at this point, that removes Joshua at number 1 even though he hasn't beaten him? I suppose you call the man who comes in 4th in the sprint at the Olympics the champion? Haha.

                      Joshua hasn't beaten anyone but he has the second best resume in Heavyweight history after 22 fights? Oh right.

                      You Wilder fans are next level crazy. Nothing you lot say makes any sense. Delusion knows no bounds.

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