Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Mayweather 'Very Serious' About Pacquiao Rematch

[D4thincarnation]

There are numerous problems with the conspiracy theory though.

He was monitored the entire day, so he couldn't be masking something he took that day. He gave a sample immediately before the IV, so the IV wouldn't affect that sample. 25 ounces of salt water is a lot less than you would take if you were trying to do a system flush. The post fight test was way more than 24 hours after the IV, so that theory doesn't make sense either.

Further, if Floyd wanted to take an IV to flush his system for the next day, he could have just taken it after USADA left, and then taken it in any amount he wanted. Or if the theory is that USADA was in cahoots with Floyd, there'd be no reason to even report the IV, let alone have the documents anonymously analyzed where you risk the TUE committee having a negative finding not realizing it was Floyd.

Under any level of scrutiny, the conspiracy theory doesn't make any sense.

Like I said, it IV masks PEDs taken after the IV.

https://www.usada.org/iv-infusions-explanatory-note/

All IV infusions and/or injections of more than 100 mL (~6.8 tablespoons) per 12 hour period are prohibited at all times, both in- and out-of-competition, except for those legitimately received in the hospital, during surgery, or during clinical investigations.

Floyd did not receive his banned IV at a hospital, during surgery or during clinical investigations.

USADA broke WADA rules by allowing this IV.

There is no know medical reason why Floyd took it.

WHY THE IV RULE?

To protect clean sport and athlete health and safety. It is a fact that IVs can be used to change blood test results (such as hematocrit where EPO or blood doping is being used), mask urine test results (by dilution) or by administering prohibited substances in a way that will more quickly be cleared from the body in order to beat an anti-doping test.

USADA even admit these IV's are used to cheat blood and urine tests, and yes it works 24 hours later.

No, if Floyd took the IV later, the substances in the IV would be a red flag and those substances would have shown up in his post fight tests.


Why do you think Floyd medically needed this IV?

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Like I said, it IV masks PEDs taken after the IV.

If he wanted to mask PEDs taken after the IV, he could have just taken the IV after USADA left.

If USADA was in cahoots with him and the whole thing is a sham, he could have just taken any PEDs he wanted. Why would he even need an IV? That's the problem with these conspiracy theories. They're never consistent.

USADA broke WADA rules by allowing this IV.

There is no know medical reason why Floyd took it.

We don't have access to Floyd's medical information. USADA does. So you're assuming rules were broken, even though you have no idea. WADA rules says the IV is fine with a TUE. The TUE is granted by doctors who aren't told who is applying. So they have no idea it's Floyd's case they're analyzing.

[D4thincarnation]

If he wanted to mask PEDs taken after the IV, he could have just taken the IV after USADA left.

Because the IV (masking agent) would have shown up in the post fight tests. This way USADA ignore the masking agent

If USADA was in cahoots with him and the whole thing is a sham, he could have just taken any PEDs he wanted. Why would he even need an IV? That's the problem with these conspiracy theories. They're never consistent.

All of USADA are not in cahoots, but USADA decisions clearly shows PED usage is easy to get away with, whether this is incompetence or corruption by one or a few individuals in the organization.

We don't have access to Floyd's medical information. USADA does. So you're assuming rules were broken, even though you have no idea. WADA rules says the IV is fine with a TUE. The TUE is granted by doctors who aren't told who is applying. So they have no idea it's Floyd's case they're analyzing.

No, but the IV can only be used to treat certain conditions, and for a retroactive TUE it had to administered in a hospital or after surgery , which it was not. So according to USADA's own rules he should not have received this TUE.

Nobody and I mean nobody can come up with a reason why Mayweather needed this banned IV

[IceTrayDaGang]

We don't have access to Floyd's medical information. USADA does. So you're assuming rules were broken, even though you have no idea. WADA rules says the IV is fine with a TUE. The TUE is granted by doctors who aren't told who is applying. So they have no idea it's Floyd's case they're analyzing.

the bolded! exactly. "we" dont have access to floyd's medical record, so you're just gonna believe what usada says? how do we know floyd was really dehydrated? just because usada said so?

what we do know is floyd looked perfectly fine the week leading to the fight, what we do know is that floyd took 750 mL of IV. that's what we know. what we dont know is if floyd was really dehydrated. now if you can find proof that show he was then you win.

[Roadblock]

Because the IV (masking agent) would have shown up in the post fight tests. This way USADA ignore the masking agent

Youre an idiot that has no clue what youre talking about, no test can detect IV fluids because they are in the body naturally its saline glucose and some minerals .

Gee the BS flows from you.

[D4thincarnation]

Youre an idiot that has no clue what youre talking about, no test can detect IV fluids because they are in the body naturally its saline glucose and some minerals .

Gee the BS flows from you.

Higher levels.

[alfred64]

[QUOTE=ADP02;19160222]Floyd kept on moving the "testing" goal-posts.
- 14 days was Ok
- 14 days was not OK
- 7 days was not OK
- Floyd goes on vacation

Then when Manny OKs that roadblock, then Floyd placed other road-blocks related to PPV sharing(none for Manny)!


We had to wait for 2015
and then find out that it is Floyd Mayweather that used an ILLEGAL BANNED IV!!!! WOW! After all that, Floyd is the one that we had to worry about!


Plus Floyd was already the better preserved fighter of the two due to retirements & his fighting style. In addition to this he had height & reach advantage, but that wasn't enough, he still waited until Manny had more mileage on him, including the Marquez KO before TBE finally got in God** ring with him!

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"we" dont have access to floyd's medical record, so you're just gonna believe what usada says?

They are the leading experts. They are the ones Manny and Floyd voluntarily chose to determine if any IV use (which was 100% legal in Nevada for any reason) was for legitimate medical purpose. USADA says it was. There's no reason to believe otherwise. This "controversy" only exists because a corrupt journalist, hired by HBO, wrote a misleading and false hit piece to try to smear Floyd before his retirement fight.

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Because the IV (masking agent) would have shown up in the post fight tests. This way USADA ignore the masking agent

You're saying he couldn't take salt water after USADA left because then the salt water would have shown up in the post fight test? You're not making any sense. If he wanted masking agents in the IV, why wouldn't he hire a private IV instead of calling paramedics while being supervised by USADA? You're not making any sense.

[Roadblock]

Higher levels.

Off what lol, dont pull a reply out your ass go do some real research on IV fluids from medical sites, and dont ignore what you dont want to see.

Also look at doses for a 150 lb man and you will see 750 ml is very low.

The ignorance in here is mind boggling.