Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo-Golovkin, Saunders-Andrade, More

[Kiowhatta]

I don’t agree with the perception that AJ was being soundly beaten, and beaten up before starching Povetkin in round 7.
Sure, he was catching some shots - and probably didn’t expect Povetkin to come charging out of the blocks like he did, so he was forced to try and adjust far more quickly.

I saw AJ put in his own work during the first few rounds, going to the body, using his feet and maintaining his composure.

My point is, it wasn’t as one-sided as some people make out.
AJ did employ some defence and IMO was simply working his man out.
He ought to have punished Povetkin after those wild double hooks missed, but easier said than done.

I’m impressed with AJ’s humility and groundedness that is rare for a young lad who seems to buck the trend of power going to ones head.

He acknowledged after the fight that he needs to work on the flaws pointed out to him via the press, rather than get defensive.

As for the GGG/Canelo ‘stink’, I cannot score the two fights other than the first as a close decision to Golovkin, and the 2nd most definitely a draw.

It’s sad that because Canelo gets the slightest of bias, GGG has his entire career de-railed.
Some things Golovkin has to take responsibility for.
He curiously forgot again to work the body - critical error. Egregious even.
He chose to spend three years chasing Canelo exclusively - when, in that time, he may have been able to pursue other, more relevant fights.

[The D3vil]

LMAO, Canelo stans mad that the entire world thinks GGG won both fights.

Yes, take solace in the fact that a few dozen fighters & trainers agree with the minority of fans that think he won, as opposed to the gabillion fighters, fans, journalists, and analysts that had GGG winning at 36, at least 3 years past his prime.

I wasn't even THAT big of a GGG fan until the Canelo stans turned me into one the past 2 years. You guys are even worst than Mayweather stans. At least Mayweather deserved just about everything he got.

[Shadoww702]

I could tell you the same thing about sports writers. The thing is these are some of the best and most relevant fighters past and current some hall of famers some who have been very critical of Alvarez like Khan and Morales. Not so with most media, I dont think I ever saw a critical article on Golovkin by them which would question their objectivity.

Honestly Ive never read one bad article about GGG. GREAT point!

[Mirus]

GGG could of always fought Ward if he truly was ducked. He started saying that sht and Ward was like ???

GGG ducked Ward. No excuses. Ward might beat GGG badly. I think GGG knew it.

[Mirus]

What do you think about most pro boxers and trainers people who actually boxed for living thinking Alvarez beat Golovkin?

It is normal when the fight is very close. I respect their opinions. It was so close that official judges could score it as a draw.

[Mirus]

Canelo started at 139 as a pro. In his second fight at 160 he fought the best P4P top 3.

It is all about money. GGG was also ready to fight Froch at 168 because Froch was PPV fighter but Ward was not. He could get less money for fighting Ward, so GGG ducked Ward.

[Citizen Koba]

GGG ducked Ward. No excuses. Ward might beat GGG badly. I think GGG knew it.

Ward might have beat GGG badly - we'll never know, but the simple fact is that fight never really had a chance to happen anyway... unless you think Golovkin should have decided to move up to fight Andre when he'd just been told he was mandated to fight the Canelo / Cotto winner? That'd be turning his back on a far bigger and more lucrative fight. Simple fact is the timing was just never right for Golovkin vs Ward. Golovkin couldn't be expected to drop his opportunity for the biggest fight of his career and the WBC title and Ward was on his own schedule to land an HBO contract so he needed to move on and sign to fight Kovalev.

I don't expect Golovkin would (or possibly could) have beaten Ward, but I'm not a fan of crying 'duck' when there's a legitimate financial reason for a fight not to happen... unless you're one of those that was claiming that Cotto was 'ducking' Golovkin? Myself I prefer to adhere to a tighter definition of the term and only ever apply it when a fighter refuses to fight a mandatory (unless there is a compelling reason not to). Golovkin vs Derevyanchenko is the most recent example that springs to mind although the circumstances do mitigate that one somewhat in my mind.

[aboutfkntime]

GGG ducked Ward. No excuses. Ward might beat GGG badly. I think GGG knew it.

props to you Sir

look like some of the golov-krew are capable of keeping it real

[Diego Rodriguez]

What do you think about most pro boxers and trainers people who actually boxed for living thinking Alvarez beat Golovkin?

You throw this out there . . . please provide the data for this claim.

1) Most pro boxers and trainers (provide the data).

You throw this ****** comment out there based on what?

[aboutfkntime]

Ward might have beat GGG badly - we'll never know, but the simple fact is that fight never really had a chance to happen anyway... unless you think Golovkin should have decided to move up to fight Andre when he'd just been told he was mandated to fight the Canelo / Cotto winner? That'd be turning his back on a far bigger and more lucrative fight. Simple fact is the timing was just never right for Golovkin vs Ward. Golovkin couldn't be expected to drop his opportunity for the biggest fight of his career and the WBC title and Ward was on his own schedule to land an HBO contract so he needed to move on and sign to fight Kovalev.

I don't expect Golovkin would (or possibly could) have beaten Ward, but I'm not a fan of crying 'duck' when there's a legitimate financial reason for a fight not to happen... unless you're one of those that was claiming that Cotto was 'ducking' Golovkin? Myself I prefer to adhere to a tighter definition of the term and only ever apply it when a fighter refuses to fight a mandatory (unless there is a compelling reason not to). Golovkin vs Derevyanchenko is the most recent example that springs to mind although the circumstances do mitigate that one somewhat in my mind.

what fkn circumstances ?

FACT: Golovkin could have EASILY taken that fight, there was nothing whatsoever preventing it from happening

FACT: Ward negotiated for 2016, which was Golovkin's Wade>Brook year..... so there was absolutely nothing preventing that fight from happening either

the common-denominator in those two examples..... ?

risk-reward

they played the risk/reward game..... TO DEATH !

you have to stop playing risk/reward if you wish to switch the subject from business to legacy

and legacy is what you were discussing, right ?