PBC on FOX - Dec 8 @ Barclays?

[lanker rom]

Not ESPN at least not for several years. ESPN and Top Rank just signed a 7 year extension for exclusivity

according to WBC WBA IBF (whos a fair poster) their deal is for 2 with the possible of 7. which could be the reason they are pushing the Crawford vs spence and Garcia vs Loma? quick ROI

ESPN will want the superior product and after 3 years PBC will no longer have a deal with SHO!

Theory...… WME tried to buy top ranks library so Top Rank couldn't get a deal with ESPN.
at this same time Kevin iole reported that Al was looking to sell the PBC possibly.

read the writing on the wall Top rank is becoming bellator of boxing

PBC BOXING and UFC will become the COMBAT SPORTS genre and dominate the market soon

[KTFOKING]

I think it would have been slightly less maybe 75-100 million. I believe haymon used the leverage of having two networks bidding to increase the deal amount. Also I don't believe boxing will ever succeed being on one network like the UFC does.

SHO doesn't help make boxing a mainstream sport again. It keeps it niche and doesn't pay the same other networks are willing to pay. If you are PBC you give SHO the benefit of the doubt and give them a chance to improve but if they cant benefit the brand or stable than bye!!!! But al haymon seems to be a loyal guy so they will get their pretty penny before that happens.

True right now Les moonves right hand man joseph lanniello is running things so maybe their can still be hope for Showtime boxing

Improve in exactly what though? SHO is doing just fine.

And Haymon a loyal guy? He's loyal to his fighters and does right by them, but for his business? He like any good businessman will do what is best for business, not relationships. There was no good reason to leave SHO right now.

[lanker rom]

Entire undercards for each card will be televised on FS1.

Wow how many hours is that

[KTFOKING]

No one is questioning the quality of the cards. I am sure most will be good. But that isn't enough to keep their guys busy

If it was on FOX alone, then sure you are right. But there will be more dates on SHO that you aren't taking into consideration. And then add in the FS1 dates? Then yeah, plenty of enough dates now.

[IMDAZED]

Wow how many hours is that

Beats me. But that’s impressive. They’ll show weigh-ins, press conferences, etc. I like it.

[killakali]

according to WBC WBA IBF (whos a fair poster) their deal is for 2 with the possible of 7. which could be the reason they are pushing the Crawford vs spence and Garcia vs Loma? quick ROI

ESPN will want the superior product and after 3 years PBC will no longer have a deal with SHO!

Theory...… WME tried to buy top ranks library so Top Rank couldn't get a deal with ESPN.
at this same time Kevin iole reported that Al was looking to sell the PBC possibly.

read the writing on the wall Top rank is becoming bellator of boxing

PBC BOXING and UFC will become the COMBAT SPORTS genre and dominate the market soon

doubt a lot of what you said. Number 1 ESPN and TR already had a 4 year deal that they extended to 7 so that shoots down his 2 year with the possibility of 7 years.

Secondly Top Rank is exclusive with ESPN and ESPN won't share with anybody so that throws out any chance of working with Fox.

Third PBC doesn't even have 10% the library that Top Rank has.

Fourth Top Rank has 30 high level cards a year they are going to be putting on so they have more of a chance to become the "UFC of Boxing" as you put it. They have more dates and can keep their guys more active and don't have so much dead weight like Alfredo Angulo, Sergio Mora, Devon Alexander, Ivan Redkach, The Wolf, etc. They have a more lean roster and keep their guys busier.

Fifth they signed most of the recent talent from the 2016 Olympics. PBC only got Karlos Balderas and recently Joe Joyce. Top Rank has the cream of the crop with Teofimo Lopez, Shakur Stevenson, Michael Conlan, Conceicao, Nikitin, Gaibnazarov and several others plus they have signed several other fighters who have already forgone the 2020 Olympics so they have more of the elite fighters coming up.

6th Boxing ain't like the UFC. It is too international and too big for one company to run the whole sport. That is why companies like PBC, TR, Matchroom, Warren, and even GBP (even though they are dangerously one sided as far as their roster) are thriving

[KTFOKING]

No one is ignoring SHO. Remember the mission statement of PBC was "Free Boxing For All" and didn't include any premium networks like HBO or Showtime. Al only fux with Showtime because for several years it was the only network actually paying him money when he was shelling out for time buys.

I don't know where you get close to 30 high level cards. There are going to be 10 on Fox and there have been 8 Showtime Championship Boxing cards so you are looking at another 2-3 cards on SHO this year so you mean 20-22 high level cards. Maybe you confused their international cards as high level cards but those had Joshua, Linares etc and weren't Haymon guys.

There are close to 200 PBC guys and of course not all are high level. But its just not enough for their upper tier guys. I am sure guys like Spence and Wilder will get priority but other guys will still be not as busy and you need more dates just to keep the off tv guys active.

PBC has we will round high to 22 high level cards a year and 12 farm league for prospects so 34 cards total.

Top Rank has 30 high level dates plus will produce another 24 international cards. 30 high level cards is way more than 22 high level cards.

Now if PBC drops another network deal as is the rumor then maybe they can keep all their guys busy....

Okay, a few things. SHO so far has had 8 Championship boxing cards plus the Joshua/Parker fight. They will end up with at least 2-3 more cards. Their deal from 2019 and on will have monthly boxing and with an increased budget, you could add 2-3 more cards. So SHO could end up putting around 15 or so cards. Then you have 10 FOX cards. Even if you want to say they will only have 22 high level cards, don't even dare to compare that to the "30" ESPN cards. Some of the ESPN+ cards are as low budget as some of the FS1 cards. And according to Tim Smith, some of the FS1 cards are going to have high level fights on them. The level of SHO and FOX? Maybe not, but remember Plant vs Uzcategui was supposed to happen on FS1 THIS YEAR. And this was before the new FOX deal.

And the international cards are great, but what does that have to do with ESPN? And speaking of quality over quantity, that is the problem with ESPN having to put on so many shows. That's why they chase so many fighters from other promotional companies. They just don't have the stable to fill the dates.

[killakali]

Okay, a few things. SHO so far has had 8 Championship boxing cards plus the Joshua/Parker fight. They will end up with at least 2-3 more cards. Their deal from 2019 and on will have monthly boxing and with an increased budget, you could add 2-3 more cards. So SHO could end up putting around 15 or so cards. Then you have 10 FOX cards. Even if you want to say they will only have 22 high level cards, don't even dare to compare that to the "30" ESPN cards. Some of the ESPN+ cards are as low budget as some of the FS1 cards. And according to Tim Smith, some of the FS1 cards are going to have high level fights on them. The level of SHO and FOX? Maybe not, but remember Plant vs Uzcategui was supposed to happen on FS1 THIS YEAR. And this was before the new FOX deal.

And the international cards are great, but what does that have to do with ESPN? And speaking of quality over quantity, that is the problem with ESPN having to put on so many shows. That's why they chase so many fighters from other promotional companies. They just don't have the stable to fill the dates.

What do ESPN cards have to do with ESPN? What? That means on ESPN+ we will get all Frank Warren, Teiken and a lot of Zanfer cards with a lot being high level fights.

I never heard that Uzcategui vs Plant was going to be on FS1. I heard that was going to be a co-feature on a December showtime card.

Most of the ESPN+ cards have a way higher budget than FS1. For instance Uzcategui is getting 250k for his next fight which is a non title fight.

As far as having the talent to fill 30 ESPN dates (not counting international shows) don't you see what is happening? What network is Kovalev-Alvarez 2 happening on? I saw a press release on this site that Top Rank had just signed 4 new fighters. I think they are going to continue to beef up their stable and would you be surprised if Golden Boy works out a deal with Top Rank where Top Rank produces some GBP cards on ESPN in exchange to put Canelo PPVs on ESPN?

[KTFOKING]

What do ESPN cards have to do with ESPN? What? That means on ESPN+ we will get all Frank Warren, Teiken and a lot of Zanfer cards with a lot being high level fights.

I never heard that Uzcategui vs Plant was going to be on FS1. I heard that was going to be a co-feature on a December showtime card.

Most of the ESPN+ cards have a way higher budget than FS1. For instance Uzcategui is getting 250k for his next fight which is a non title fight.

As far as having the talent to fill 30 ESPN dates (not counting international shows) don't you see what is happening? What network is Kovalev-Alvarez 2 happening on? I saw a press release on this site that Top Rank had just signed 4 new fighters. I think they are going to continue to beef up their stable and would you be surprised if Golden Boy works out a deal with Top Rank where Top Rank produces some GBP cards on ESPN in exchange to put Canelo PPVs on ESPN?

I meant Top Rank not ESPN on the sentence you are referring to.

It was reported by Steve Kim that the Uzcategui/Plant fight was supposed to headline the FS1 card. And this was BEFORE the new FOX deal where they have more money to play with. So no, some of the ESPN+ cards absolutely are on par with the FS1 cards, and now will be below the FS1 cards. When Crawford/Lomachenko/Pacman etc fight on ESPN+? Of course those cards have a higher budget than FS1 cards.

I see clearly what is happening. Caenlo's PPVs on ESPN would have nothing to do with TR. Totally independent of that. Can GBP do a deal with ESPN or TR in particular? Possibly, but haven't yet. They will continue to pick up fights like Kovalev/Alvarez and others to fill their dates. Nothing wrong with that, but shows TR simply can't fill those dates with the stable they have.

[killakali]

I meant Top Rank not ESPN on the sentence you are referring to.

It was reported by Steve Kim that the Uzcategui/Plant fight was supposed to headline the FS1 card. And this was BEFORE the new FOX deal where they have more money to play with. So no, some of the ESPN+ cards absolutely are on par with the FS1 cards, and now will be below the FS1 cards. When Crawford/Lomachenko/Pacman etc fight on ESPN+? Of course those cards have a higher budget than FS1 cards.

I see clearly what is happening. Caenlo's PPVs on ESPN would have nothing to do with TR. Totally independent of that. Can GBP do a deal with ESPN or TR in particular? Possibly, but haven't yet. They will continue to pick up fights like Kovalev/Alvarez and others to fill their dates. Nothing wrong with that, but shows TR simply can't fill those dates with the stable they have.

they also picked up Berchelt-Roman. GBP would have to do a deal within TR for Canelo. Not a co promotion but allow them to produce the ppvs which could definitely be a good deal for GBP getting Canelo on ESPN more.

Imo Espn will end up getting most of the non pbc fights once DAZN goes away.