GGG v Canelo - A great fight Soiled in the USA

[soul_survivor]

Yer and you know the two UK fights that you skipped do you really need me to mention them or are you an AJ fan?

stop chatting **** and post what you want to post

[Madison Boxing]

always feel like im attacking the americans on here but i always find it laughable when they start complaining about UK decisions or make a massive fuss about a fight being held in eastern europe cause of corruption. american boxing is as corrupt as it gets, some of the scorecards and refereeing performances have been nothing short of disgraceful. im not saying the UK is great but those in glasshouses shouldnt throw stones.

[soul_survivor]

always feel like im attacking the americans on here but i always find it laughable when they start complaining about UK decisions or make a massive fuss about a fight being held in eastern europe cause of corruption. american boxing is as corrupt as it gets, some of the scorecards and refereeing performances have been nothing short of disgraceful. im not saying the UK is great but those in glasshouses shouldnt throw stones.

The US is the single most corrupt sporting market on the planet, boxing is probably worse off than the NFL, NBA and MLB. It will stay this way till someone in a place of power decides to show some integrity.

[TheBigLug]

All that spoiled by judging so bad you wonder if someone other than Mayweather can ever get a decision against him.

indeed. And he even got that 114-114 v Floyd.

Canelo has to be the most protected fighter i've seen when it comes to judging. Even Floyd's fights were generally near enough scored correctly, despite him being the money man in boxing.

That said, i'm not sure things would be different in the UK for someone like AJ. if Povetkin somehow beat him like 8-4 or 7-5, do you think Povetkin would get a decision over the cash cow? i doubt it, but who knows.

it's a business and the money will always be protected.

A lot of people had wlad up v AJ at the time of the knockout, but the judges didn't.

[soul_survivor]

indeed. And he even got that 114-114 v Floyd.

Canelo has to be the most protected fighter i've seen when it comes to judging. Even Floyd's fights were generally near enough scored correctly, despite him being the money man in boxing.

That said, i'm not sure things would be different in the UK for someone like AJ. if Povetkin somehow beat him like 8-4 or 7-5, do you think Povetkin would get a decision over the cash cow? i doubt it, but who knows.

it's a business and the money will always be protected.

A lot of people had wlad up v AJ at the time of the knockout, but the judges didn't.

Has AJ ever been protected? I don't think so. And as I posted previously, in recent times there isnt any major controversy in any of the major fights that the UK has staged.

The Wlad fight is a horrible example and AJ won by a clear stoppage.

[billeau2]

I was lucky enough to write about and at times score many fights throughout my time working in sport and controversial (read unfair) decisions are as old as time. However, I must agree, the situation seems to have worsened in the US over the last several years. TV networks have more say in the decision making mow more than ever, logically they will have a star they want to back, as do promoters, so judges can be bought and sold more openly now. I saw it happen in Vegas back in the 80s, now it just happens on a larger scale.

The worst part is that the young man Canelo, who should have been applauded for his bravery and skill against a great master, is now mired in this controversy, yet again.

Excellent post.

There are a number of factors at work. its important to have educated boxing fans and history sections so that when our kids are debating these fights and somoene pipes up "Canelo beat GGG, not once but twice!" there is someone to go into some detail about the fight and the scoring. More than ever a fighter should not be judged on his record these days and this goes for some excellent journeymen as well, people like Glen Johnson for example.

It is the scoring... the systems are such how does one even see the punches land? when there is no time to review? Why not have six judges and they alternate rounds so more time can be spent on looking at the rounds, just one suggestion.

Its the lack of those last 3 rounds, that mean so much in showing a conclusion...the championship rounds, 13 14 and 15. This gives the puncher a few more chances, it gives the judges a few more rounds, and it tests the make up of the fighters, that little bit more... It is one more chance to take the conclusion out of the judge's hands.

And it is the economics. handsome, matinee idol looking kid, versus Russian guy who is a fighters fighter... They want the female market lol, wives used to let the menfolk watch with no objections when oscar was fighting...my wife would be "who is that handsome one?" Saul has that market cornered!

[TheBigLug]

Has AJ ever been protected? I don't think so. And as I posted previously, in recent times there isnt any major controversy in any of the major fights that the UK has staged.

The Wlad fight is a horrible example and AJ won by a clear stoppage.

i didn't say he has. i'm saying i believe that'll be the case in the event of a close fight in the UK. maybe i'll be wrong. My point wasn't to target AJ, it was merely pointing out that we watch fights, knowing who's almost certainly going to get the decision in a close fight. i just used him an example of a huge draw that i anticipate will get the decision in any close fight when it happens.

my point was that we shouldn't even be having these thoughts and expectations before the fight happens, but that's the way the sport has made us think, which is a shame.

[Randall Cunning]

i didn't say he has. i'm saying i believe that'll be the case in the event of a close fight in the UK. maybe i'll be wrong. My point wasn't to target AJ, it was merely pointing out that we watch fights, knowing who's almost certainly going to get the decision in a close fight. i just used him an example of a huge draw that i anticipate will get the decision in any close fight when it happens.

my point was that we shouldn't even be having these thoughts and expectations before the fight happens, but that's the way the sport has made us think, which is a shame.

Joshua would get a close decision in the UK for sure. But last night was a perfect example of why not to take that $50mil. Golovkin sold his soul, he knew what he was getting into, had the BJS fight there for all the titles, he went for the money. Fury will end up getting the same treatment if it goes to points.

[N/A]

Yet another big US fight, this time living up to its billing, this time both men delivered, this time it rocked back and forth...all of it spoiled by 3 American judges

Such a ****** thread. Neither fighter is American. All of the most respected American writers had the fight a draw. Six rounds to six. The fight was very close. I personally had GGG winning 8-4, but there were so many close rounds that when all the top writers have it 6-6, how can you complain when two judges have it 7-5 Canelo? In close fights, people will disagree. The judges did a good job.

[TheBigLug]

Joshua would get a close decision in the UK for sure. But last night was a perfect example of why not to take that $50mil. Golovkin sold his soul, he knew what he was getting into, had the BJS fight there for all the titles, he went for the money. Fury will end up getting the same treatment if it goes to points.

No doubt.

Then again, it's also understandable why wilder won't take a flat fee with no upside, only to have all those things working against him too. All these things add to reasons why big fights are hard to make.

it's all so blatant too and makes me less interested in certain fights and why i've resorted to streaming fights and stop funding the nonsense.