GGG v Canelo - A great fight Soiled in the USA

[soul_survivor]

Bruz you've been watching fights for a long while I presume.
It's not just in the US that what your saying happens but everywhere in every country.
Why do you think its so hard to get a decision in someone else's gome state.
The scoring tonight was fair and they done a good job.
The first fight was ridiculous in my opinion.

Wrong. Every single major PPV in the US in the last 2 or so years has had a controversial, often laughably end.

It's not even comparable to the UK, Germany or elsehwere in europe in the same time period.

[BLASTER1]

Wrong. Every single major PPV in the US in the last 2 or so years has had a controversial, often laughably end.

It's not even comparable to the UK, Germany or elsehwere in europe in the same time period.

You know thats not true.
I'm not even going to argue the fact with you cause its a ****** comment.

[MisterHardtop]

I was lucky enough to write about and at times score many fights throughout my time working in sport and controversial (read unfair) decisions are as old as time. However, I must agree, the situation seems to have worsened in the US over the last several years. TV networks have more say in the decision making mow more than ever, logically they will have a star they want to back, as do promoters, so judges can be bought and sold more openly now. I saw it happen in Vegas back in the 80s, now it just happens on a larger scale.

The worst part is that the young man Canelo, who should have been applauded for his bravery and skill against a great master, is now mired in this controversy, yet again.

[glenn mcrory]

Hopefully this signals the end of the G-string-wearing troGGGlodytes and the DKSAB they brought into the sport.

Now if we could just get rid of the pacstans again. Unfortunately, we have Matthysse to thank for that last one.

[soul_survivor]

You know thats not true.
I'm not even going to argue the fact with you cause its a ****** comment.

Ok, looking roughly at the last 2 years of American PPVs -

Nov 19 2016 - Ward v Kovalev 1, fights ends in a very controversial decision for Ward. The crowd booes, the vast majority of the press has it for Kovalev. Regardless of who YOU think won, it was controversial. HBO try and put a spin on it months later by claiming Ward somehow turned the fight around.

Mar 18 2016 - GGG v Jacobs, most watching felt GGG won quite clearly, yet not only do the judges have it somewhat close, HBO tries to steer the conversation towards how Jacobs should have won the fight. That narrative is still played to this day.

May 6 2017 - Canelo v Chavez Jr, fair.

June 17 2017 - Ward v Kovalev 2, Kovalev is taken down by multiple low blows, something the ref had initially warned Ward for but by the time the stoppage occurs, the ref is waving off complaints and even laughing. Regardless of one thinking the punches were low or not, stopping a champion, who had just suffered his first KD is incompetent at best, corrupt at worst.

Aug 26 2017 - Mayweather v McGregor - joke

Sep 16 2017 - GGG v Canelo 1, a hugely controversial draw, with the vast majority claiming GGG won and won clearly. This time, even the Mexican fans boo Canelo. Regardless of who YOU thought won, it was branded controversial by all. One judge never judges again.

Should I mention the rematch?

UK PPV in roughly the same time period -

September 10 2016 - GGG v Kell Brook, the only controversy is Brooks heart.

4 Mar 2017 - Bellew v Haye, even with Hayei njured, as former champ and possible future contender, he is allowed to ocntinue and the fight is exceptional. Full of heart and grit. The crowd is on their feet and Haye almost looks to be coming on before he is finally stopped. No controversy.

27 May 2017 - Brook v Spence, Brook looks to be winning on points before the KD came in. The AWAY fighter is ahead on the cards before the stoppage. The judges are not all Brits.

2017-2018 - AJ v Takam/Parker, the only point of contention is Takam stoppage but even then, AJ was coming on strong. I personally believe it was an early stoppage but clear to see who was winning.

2018 - Haye v Bellew 2, no controversy. Whyte v Parker, no controversy albeit close at times.

So the UK has had a larger collection of PPV in that time and at most, 1 controversial decision. The US has had 5 out of 7 being debatable if not outright corrupt decisions.

I could start bringing up the SMW and CW tournament fought across Europe if you like? Not a single remotely controversial decision in there. That makes things look even worse for American boxing.

[D4thincarnation]

Yet another big US fight, this time living up to its billing, this time both men delivered, this time it rocked back and forth...all of it spoiled by 3 American judges, at the most corrupt sporting city on the planet, in a nation where the sport is being slowly but surely digested by corporations.

A crying shame because GGG deserved his great night and Canelo deserved to go out a worthy loser and get ready for a third fight.


As I said before, the sport should no longer take place in the US. I can not think of a single clean, big PPV fight in America for the last couple years.

Abysmal.

American money only comes with the PPV and it's more about timing than location.

You need a promoter who will back in though.

The Vegas judges always go for the money man, the people that pay their wages.

Very little oversight, training and new blood.

But just as bad in many places over the world.

[soul_survivor]

American money only comes with the PPV and it's more about timing than location.

You need a promoter who will back in though.

The Vegas judges always go for the money man, the people that pay their wages.

Very little oversight, training and new blood.

But just as bad in many places over the world.

Look at my previous post, it's not as bad else hwere.

[BLASTER1]

Ok, looking roughly at the last 2 years of American PPVs -

Nov 19 2016 - Ward v Kovalev 1, fights ends in a very controversial decision for Ward. The crowd booes, the vast majority of the press has it for Kovalev. Regardless of who YOU think won, it was controversial. HBO try and put a spin on it months later by claiming Ward somehow turned the fight around.

Mar 18 2016 - GGG v Jacobs, most watching felt GGG won quite clearly, yet not only do the judges have it somewhat close, HBO tries to steer the conversation towards how Jacobs should have won the fight. That narrative is still played to this day.

May 6 2017 - Canelo v Chavez Jr, fair.

June 17 2017 - Ward v Kovalev 2, Kovalev is taken down by multiple low blows, something the ref had initially warned Ward for but by the time the stoppage occurs, the ref is waving off complaints and even laughing. Regardless of one thinking the punches were low or not, stopping a champion, who had just suffered his first KD is incompetent at best, corrupt at worst.

Aug 26 2017 - Mayweather v McGregor - joke

Sep 16 2017 - GGG v Canelo 1, a hugely controversial draw, with the vast majority claiming GGG won and won clearly. This time, even the Mexican fans boo Canelo. Regardless of who YOU thought won, it was branded controversial by all. One judge never judges again.

Should I mention the rematch?

UK PPV in roughly the same time period -

September 10 2016 - GGG v Kell Brook, the only controversy is Brooks heart.

4 Mar 2017 - Bellew v Haye, even with Hayei njured, as former champ and possible future contender, he is allowed to ocntinue and the fight is exceptional. Full of heart and grit. The crowd is on their feet and Haye almost looks to be coming on before he is finally stopped. No controversy.

27 May 2017 - Brook v Spence, Brook looks to be winning on points before the KD came in. The AWAY fighter is ahead on the cards before the stoppage. The judges are not all Brits.

2017-2018 - AJ v Takam/Parker, the only point of contention is Takam stoppage but even then, AJ was coming on strong. I personally believe it was an early stoppage but clear to see who was winning.

2018 - Haye v Bellew 2, no controversy. Whyte v Parker, no controversy albeit close at times.

So the UK has had a larger collection of PPV in that time and at most, 1 controversial decision. The US has had 5 out of 7 being debatable if not outright corrupt decisions.

I could start bringing up the SMW and CW tournament fought across Europe if you like? Not a single remotely controversial decision in there. That makes things look even worse for American boxing.

Thanks for the laugh bruz.
You odviously fail to mention the fights that dont fit your agenda.
Once again though thanks for the lol.

[soul_survivor]

Thanks for the laugh bruz.
You odviously fail to mention the fights that dont fit your agenda.
Once again though thanks for the lol.

Ok mention the fights I skipped. There are maybe 2 UK ppvs I skipped because they were mismatches or poor.

I missed the entire CW and SMW tournaments which did not have any such robberies.

I'll be waiting for your response.

[BLASTER1]

Ok mention the fights I skipped. There are maybe 2 UK ppvs I skipped because they were mismatches or poor.

I missed the entire CW and SMW tournaments which did not have any such robberies.

I'll be waiting for your response.

Yer and you know the two UK fights that you skipped do you really need me to mention them or are you an AJ fan?