Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Would Like Wilder, But No Interest in Time Waster

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Youre not really getting it. I'd agree AJ and Hearn aren't in a rush to make the fight, not the same as not wanting, but as they have said the more time goes by the more the American market matures and this is when they start making the mega bucks for both teams. I pretty sure we can agree for the likes of you and me this sucks as I want to see AJ knock out Wilder and the other way round for you.

I do not see that Wilder is as desperate for the fight as he makes out. Yeah generate some hype for the fight via social media but the guy should be following up Hearns offers with more formal methods of responses and providing feedback on what doesn't/didn't work for him and what does to demonstrate it. This is something Hearn has stated is just not happening. Now if Hearn was lying I would have expected Wilder to come out with a video saying actually we did respond here's the email or whatever, which just hasn't happened.

Also I believe I saw a video of Finkel mentioning he had been working with Warren since June so maybe the possibility of a Fury fight has been in the pipeworks for a while which most people can see would make business sense before AJ and a huge difference to the negotiations. So there is a motive make it only look like your taking the AJ negotiations seriously and definitely worth taking in to consideration, although I will allow you to dash this idea as utter speculation.

Maybe Wilder is legit offended by the offers or his ego is to big to think he needs be chasing Hearn and pressuring him with quick responses to get the fight done especially with the WBA Mando lurking. At the end of the day if the fight ain't gonna come to you, you've got to go and get it.

See my angle?

All this talk could be a complete waste of time as Povetkin could knock out AJ and clear out Wilder and the rest of the HW division, it's unlikely but not unimaginable as boths guys are far from complete fighters.

I think Wilder Knocks out AJ, but I also think the other way is possible. I'm a fan of both fighters, I don't want to see the fight just to see Wilder KO AJ, I want to see the fight because it's the best fight to be made.

I think I have posted enough articles and direct quotes from Hearn himself to prove that the negotiations were in fact moving, and Hearn clearly lied about the lack of contact, as you may not remember Hearn saying after the Parker fight that Wilder's team has never responded to him, then 1 week later, Hearn said they have been communicating for weeks. I mean no disrespect, but as I said, I don't think you're basing you view on facts. Hearn has clearly lied, $50 million was clearly offered. Why would someone who doesn't really want the fight, go out and procure the largest guarantee in heavyweight history? It just makes no sense.

Warren has already said that he was working with Finkle on behalf of BTsport for them to carry the streaming rights in the UK, unless something comes out to prove otherwise, saying they were probably already negotiating for Fury is pure conjecture. And there in lies the crux of my argument to you. You are extremely quick to assign the shady to Wilder and his team even though it's not backed by facts, yet still assign truth to Hearn even when presented with facts that prove otherwise.

Both parties have conducted themselves questionably. But, in the end, One party (Wilder) postured, but ultimately approached with a legit offer, the most legit offer, and highest guarantee in heavyweight history, while the other side (Hearn) didn't want the fight now and did everything they could to delay, undermine, and create an allusion of actually trying to make the fight, which eventually became their only concern (and still is).

As I have said from the moment the actual details came out. Wilder wants the fight, AJ wants the fight, Eddie Hearn does not want the fight, neither does Barry (who still owns the company), and neither does McCraken. AJ once said he'd fight Wilder in 2020, that's looking more likely.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

So when did any real negotiations take place for the fight? Posturing and throwing "offers" around in the media isn't the same thing. Seems like you pick a side and dig in with every big fight negotiation lol...and what happens, the fight gets made when both sides want to make it happen. All your crying and endless arguing for nothing.��

Just thought I should point out, you've asserted that no real negotiations occurred, however after AJ was offered $50 million, they proceeded to negotiate for almost a month before Hearn actually rejected the offer. There was a term sheet that was sent to Hearn. It included a target for September subject to Canelo/GGG, location of Vegas (no venue for obvious reasons), Showtime PPV, Btsport streaming in UK (it can be assumed the the UK TV rights were not worked out, because there has been no reporting on that), $50 million guarantee with a 50/50 split if the fight makes over $100 million, no rematch clause. Showtime'e Espinoza sweetened the pot by offering AJ an option of a rematch with a guarantee of $30 million in the UK.

april 10th - Hearn offers $12.5 million flat fee no date, venue or details, 48 hr deadline take it or leave it.

Finkels response was he'd have a counter offer 2 to 3 days later, but then on...

april 12th - Aj dropped this "If it is a $100 million fight and they are happy with taking 60-40, I'll take 50-50. Give me $50 million dollars up front and I swear I'll take that fight tomorrow,"

Instead of furnishing a smaller more reasonable offer, Wilder and his people worked to give Aj what he asked for,

April 25th - Wilder offers AJ a minimum guarantee of $50 million, with 50-50 split if the fight makes more than $100 million, no rematch clause, the fight must take place between September-November at a site of Wilders choosing in Vegas.

Hearn Responds by accusing Wilders camp of making a fake offer for PR purposes, he says Wilder doesn't have the money, he requests proof of funds. some back and forth between camps.

April 30th - Hearn receives proof of funds.

May 2nd - Hearn reports that the fight is at a 70% chance of being signed. He stated they are negotiating and had more qustions.

May 7th - Barry Hearn admits he wants AJ to delay the Wilder fight. Admits he even advised AJ to do so.

May 22nd - Hearn, AJ and Mccraken reject the $50 million offer.

June 4th - Hearn slips in an interview:"I think it will get done but the WBA are asking us every day and we are extending this negotiation period all the time. At the moment, we are fighting Povetkin. I think we have to make a call by the end of the week really"

June 10th - Wilders accepts terms. The offer is the 2nd offer after the $50 million was rejected. There's no details on the negotiations after May 22nd, but the offers went from 12.5, to 15. The offer is a flat fee, included a rematch clause that would take place in the U.S. no matter who won the first fight.

June 11th - Finkle requests a contract.

June 15th - Hearn sends the Contract.

June 18th - Finkle has concerns and questions regarding specific items in the contract. Which was later revealed that there was no date or venue included in the contract, because the date was September 15th at Wembley, and the rematch clause which was already agreed too, was now a one way clause for AJ only.

June 22nd - Hearn claims he responded.

June 24th - Finkle writes to Hearn telling him he's sending back the contract for small corrections, and for a date and venue, intimating it will be signed once the corrections are made and the contract is returned.

June 25th - Hearn claims he has not heard from Wilders team, he then attacks Wilder. Finkle claims Hearn has not responded to his e-mails, instead he reaceived a letter from Hearn stating AJ would be fighting Povetkin next, and wilder can fight AJ in April of 2019.

June 26th - WBA announces 48 hour deadline for AJ to sign for Povetkin. Date, venue, and Dazn deal already announced.

[Jax teller]

I think Wilder Knocks out AJ, but I also think the other way is possible. I'm a fan of both fighters, I don't want to see the fight just to see Wilder KO AJ, I want to see the fight because it's the best fight to be made.

I think I have posted enough articles and direct quotes from Hearn himself to prove that the negotiations were in fact moving, and Hearn clearly lied about the lack of contact, as you may not remember Hearn saying after the Parker fight that Wilder's team has never responded to him, then 1 week later, Hearn said they have been communicating for weeks. I mean no disrespect, but as I said, I don't think you're basing you view on facts. Hearn has clearly lied, $50 million was clearly offered. Why would someone who doesn't really want the fight, go out and procure the largest guarantee in heavyweight history? It just makes no sense.

Warren has already said that he was working with Finkle on behalf of BTsport for them to carry the streaming rights in the UK, unless something comes out to prove otherwise, saying they were probably already negotiating for Fury is pure conjecture. And there in lies the crux of my argument to you. You are extremely quick to assign the shady to Wilder and his team even though it's not backed by facts, yet still assign truth to Hearn even when presented with facts that prove otherwise.

Both parties have conducted themselves questionably. But, in the end, One party (Wilder) postured, but ultimately approached with a legit offer, the most legit offer, and highest guarantee in heavyweight history, while the other side (Hearn) didn't want the fight now and did everything they could to delay, undermine, and create an allusion of actually trying to make the fight, which eventually became their only concern (and still is).

As I have said from the moment the actual details came out. Wilder wants the fight, AJ wants the fight, Eddie Hearn does not want the fight, neither does Barry (who still owns the company), and neither does McCraken. AJ once said he'd fight Wilder in 2020, that's looking more likely.

There's no one you can argue it was the most legit offer when there was no contracts or details released until AJ refused you're convenient forgetting this and the whole time periods where Wilder has not responded to the offers on the table. You are trying to say you've proven your argument with facts by stringing together quotes that are either out of context or to do with other matters and saying my points are nonesense as I do not care enough to go back through articles and string a timeline of exact dates and what was said.

If you take the time to watch the IFL Barry interview which is down to you, it comes across as he has no shame or need to lie speaking about how he would do it and he also explains how Eddie Hearn runs the boxing side which he found it hard to get used to at first and explaining the contact issues as mentioned by Eddie previously.

I am not being onsided as I already mentioned AJ is in no rush due to business reasons and the flat fee shows this. But the 50 mil offer was never clarified so AJ could have been selling self for a night with Finkel for all they knew. If BT was mentioned at the time this would have been a pretty big deal breaker and a get out of jail free excuse for AJ to use for the fans. Therefore showing proof that failing to disclose this information alone shows dishonesty and unethical intent of Finkel.

As far as fight prediction goes of AJ comes out as the aggresor and destroys Povetkin I'd say Wilder is **** in trouble if they fight next.

However if AJ fights Povetkin like he did against Parker which looked scared and panicked when Parker was on the offence, I'd question whether AJ has what it takes mentally and give the odds to Wilder landing the infamous right hand.

[aboutfkntime]

I think Wilder Knocks out AJ, but I also think the other way is possible. I'm a fan of both fighters, I don't want to see the fight just to see Wilder KO AJ, I want to see the fight because it's the best fight to be made.

I think I have posted enough articles and direct quotes from Hearn himself to prove that the negotiations were in fact moving, and Hearn clearly lied about the lack of contact, as you may not remember Hearn saying after the Parker fight that Wilder's team has never responded to him, then 1 week later, Hearn said they have been communicating for weeks. I mean no disrespect, but as I said, I don't think you're basing you view on facts. Hearn has clearly lied, $50 million was clearly offered. Why would someone who doesn't really want the fight, go out and procure the largest guarantee in heavyweight history? It just makes no sense.

Warren has already said that he was working with Finkle on behalf of BTsport for them to carry the streaming rights in the UK, unless something comes out to prove otherwise, saying they were probably already negotiating for Fury is pure conjecture. And there in lies the crux of my argument to you. You are extremely quick to assign the shady to Wilder and his team even though it's not backed by facts, yet still assign truth to Hearn even when presented with facts that prove otherwise.

Both parties have conducted themselves questionably. But, in the end, One party (Wilder) postured, but ultimately approached with a legit offer, the most legit offer, and highest guarantee in heavyweight history, while the other side (Hearn) didn't want the fight now and did everything they could to delay, undermine, and create an allusion of actually trying to make the fight, which eventually became their only concern (and still is).

As I have said from the moment the actual details came out. Wilder wants the fight, AJ wants the fight, Eddie Hearn does not want the fight, neither does Barry (who still owns the company), and neither does McCraken. AJ once said he'd fight Wilder in 2020, that's looking more likely.

wow

GREAT post !

way too good for most of the intended victims

you did not just explain the obvious, you painted them a picture

gold !

[aboutfkntime]

Just thought I should point out, you've asserted that no real negotiations occurred, however after AJ was offered $50 million, they proceeded to negotiate for almost a month before Hearn actually rejected the offer. There was a term sheet that was sent to Hearn. It included a target for September subject to Canelo/GGG, location of Vegas (no venue for obvious reasons), Showtime PPV, Btsport streaming in UK (it can be assumed the the UK TV rights were not worked out, because there has been no reporting on that), $50 million guarantee with a 50/50 split if the fight makes over $100 million, no rematch clause. Showtime'e Espinoza sweetened the pot by offering AJ an option of a rematch with a guarantee of $30 million in the UK.

april 10th - Hearn offers $12.5 million flat fee no date, venue or details, 48 hr deadline take it or leave it.

Finkels response was he'd have a counter offer 2 to 3 days later, but then on...

april 12th - Aj dropped this "If it is a $100 million fight and they are happy with taking 60-40, I'll take 50-50. Give me $50 million dollars up front and I swear I'll take that fight tomorrow,"

Instead of furnishing a smaller more reasonable offer, Wilder and his people worked to give Aj what he asked for,

April 25th - Wilder offers AJ a minimum guarantee of $50 million, with 50-50 split if the fight makes more than $100 million, no rematch clause, the fight must take place between September-November at a site of Wilders choosing in Vegas.

Hearn Responds by accusing Wilders camp of making a fake offer for PR purposes, he says Wilder doesn't have the money, he requests proof of funds. some back and forth between camps.

April 30th - Hearn receives proof of funds.

May 2nd - Hearn reports that the fight is at a 70% chance of being signed. He stated they are negotiating and had more qustions.

May 7th - Barry Hearn admits he wants AJ to delay the Wilder fight. Admits he even advised AJ to do so.

May 22nd - Hearn, AJ and Mccraken reject the $50 million offer.

June 4th - Hearn slips in an interview:"I think it will get done but the WBA are asking us every day and we are extending this negotiation period all the time. At the moment, we are fighting Povetkin. I think we have to make a call by the end of the week really"

June 10th - Wilders accepts terms. The offer is the 2nd offer after the $50 million was rejected. There's no details on the negotiations after May 22nd, but the offers went from 12.5, to 15. The offer is a flat fee, included a rematch clause that would take place in the U.S. no matter who won the first fight.

June 11th - Finkle requests a contract.

June 15th - Hearn sends the Contract.

June 18th - Finkle has concerns and questions regarding specific items in the contract. Which was later revealed that there was no date or venue included in the contract, because the date was September 15th at Wembley, and the rematch clause which was already agreed too, was now a one way clause for AJ only.

June 22nd - Hearn claims he responded.

June 24th - Finkle writes to Hearn telling him he's sending back the contract for small corrections, and for a date and venue, intimating it will be signed once the corrections are made and the contract is returned.

June 25th - Hearn claims he has not heard from Wilders team, he then attacks Wilder. Finkle claims Hearn has not responded to his e-mails, instead he reaceived a letter from Hearn stating AJ would be fighting Povetkin next, and wilder can fight AJ in April of 2019.

June 26th - WBA announces 48 hour deadline for AJ to sign for Povetkin. Date, venue, and Dazn deal already announced.

oh, shh......

[aboutfkntime]

There's no one you can argue it was the most legit offer when there was no contracts or details released until AJ refused you're convenient forgetting this and the whole time periods where Wilder has not responded to the offers on the table. You are trying to say you've proven your argument with facts by stringing together quotes that are either out of context or to do with other matters and saying my points are nonesense as I do not care enough to go back through articles and string a timeline of exact dates and what was said.

If you take the time to watch the IFL Barry interview which is down to you, it comes across as he has no shame or need to lie speaking about how he would do it and he also explains how Eddie Hearn runs the boxing side which he found it hard to get used to at first and explaining the contact issues as mentioned by Eddie previously.

I am not being onsided as I already mentioned AJ is in no rush due to business reasons and the flat fee shows this. But the 50 mil offer was never clarified so AJ could have been selling self for a night with Finkel for all they knew. If BT was mentioned at the time this would have been a pretty big deal breaker and a get out of jail free excuse for AJ to use for the fans. Therefore showing proof that failing to disclose this information alone shows dishonesty and unethical intent of Finkel.

As far as fight prediction goes of AJ comes out as the aggresor and destroys Povetkin I'd say Wilder is **** in trouble if they fight next.

However if AJ fights Povetkin like he did against Parker which looked scared and panicked when Parker was on the offence, I'd question whether AJ has what it takes mentally and give the odds to Wilder landing the infamous right hand.

you are an absolute grade A ass-hole kid

just saying lol

***wits like you LITERALLY delay the progress of humanity

we are LITERALLY better off without you

just saying lol

[Real King Kong]

Just thought I should point out, you've asserted that no real negotiations occurred, however after AJ was offered $50 million, they proceeded to negotiate for almost a month before Hearn actually rejected the offer. There was a term sheet that was sent to Hearn. It included a target for September subject to Canelo/GGG, location of Vegas (no venue for obvious reasons), Showtime PPV, Btsport streaming in UK (it can be assumed the the UK TV rights were not worked out, because there has been no reporting on that), $50 million guarantee with a 50/50 split if the fight makes over $100 million, no rematch clause. Showtime'e Espinoza sweetened the pot by offering AJ an option of a rematch with a guarantee of $30 million in the UK.

april 10th - Hearn offers $12.5 million flat fee no date, venue or details, 48 hr deadline take it or leave it.

Finkels response was he'd have a counter offer 2 to 3 days later, but then on...

april 12th - Aj dropped this "If it is a $100 million fight and they are happy with taking 60-40, I'll take 50-50. Give me $50 million dollars up front and I swear I'll take that fight tomorrow,"

Instead of furnishing a smaller more reasonable offer, Wilder and his people worked to give Aj what he asked for,

April 25th - Wilder offers AJ a minimum guarantee of $50 million, with 50-50 split if the fight makes more than $100 million, no rematch clause, the fight must take place between September-November at a site of Wilders choosing in Vegas.

Hearn Responds by accusing Wilders camp of making a fake offer for PR purposes, he says Wilder doesn't have the money, he requests proof of funds. some back and forth between camps.

April 30th - Hearn receives proof of funds.

May 2nd - Hearn reports that the fight is at a 70% chance of being signed. He stated they are negotiating and had more qustions.

May 7th - Barry Hearn admits he wants AJ to delay the Wilder fight. Admits he even advised AJ to do so.

May 22nd - Hearn, AJ and Mccraken reject the $50 million offer.

June 4th - Hearn slips in an interview:"I think it will get done but the WBA are asking us every day and we are extending this negotiation period all the time. At the moment, we are fighting Povetkin. I think we have to make a call by the end of the week really"

June 10th - Wilders accepts terms. The offer is the 2nd offer after the $50 million was rejected. There's no details on the negotiations after May 22nd, but the offers went from 12.5, to 15. The offer is a flat fee, included a rematch clause that would take place in the U.S. no matter who won the first fight.

June 11th - Finkle requests a contract.

June 15th - Hearn sends the Contract.

June 18th - Finkle has concerns and questions regarding specific items in the contract. Which was later revealed that there was no date or venue included in the contract, because the date was September 15th at Wembley, and the rematch clause which was already agreed too, was now a one way clause for AJ only.

June 22nd - Hearn claims he responded.

June 24th - Finkle writes to Hearn telling him he's sending back the contract for small corrections, and for a date and venue, intimating it will be signed once the corrections are made and the contract is returned.

June 25th - Hearn claims he has not heard from Wilders team, he then attacks Wilder. Finkle claims Hearn has not responded to his e-mails, instead he reaceived a letter from Hearn stating AJ would be fighting Povetkin next, and wilder can fight AJ in April of 2019.

June 26th - WBA announces 48 hour deadline for AJ to sign for Povetkin. Date, venue, and Dazn deal already announced.

I say it's not real cuz it has the feel of being staged. I don't think they were ever at a point of seriously trying to make the fight happen, and why would either side have wanted the fight at that point? it just wouldn't have generated the revenue anyone involved is looking for. all the posturing was and is being used to drum up interest. when the money is there, watch how quick they put the fight together.

[aboutfkntime]

it is CLEARLY OBVIOUS whats up

you guys are a total amoeba

wow

[aboutfkntime]

I say it's not real cuz it has the feel of being staged. I don't think they were ever at a point of seriously trying to make the fight happen, and why would either side have wanted the fight at that point? it just wouldn't have generated the revenue anyone involved is looking for. all the posturing was and is being used to drum up interest. when the money is there, watch how quick they put the fight together.

there is no posturing, you total amoeba

there is only delaying/roadblocking, by Hearn

your posturing rubbish is just a childish excuse

grow up man, what a clown

Wilder called Joshua's bluff TWICE.....

Joshua ran for the hills, with Wilder screaming out biiiiitch !

that is not posturing..... what don't you get about that ???

you are as ******ed as the dopey pacstains who insisted that Mayweather's testing demands were a "bluff"..... but then p1ssed themselves crying when asked to explain why Pacquiao did not simply call Mayweather's "bluff" and take the harmless blood test


you are a fkn amoeba kid lol

[Real King Kong]

you are a fkn muppet.....

Wilder accepts terms to fight Anthony Joshua in the UK
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...er-eddie-hearn

Wilder accepts terms for Joshua unification, awaits response

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/deontay-wilder-accepts-terms-for-anthony-joshua-unification-fight-in-u-k-awaits-response/

..... just saying lol

nice 3 month old articles. is this the same offer hearn says they accepted, asked for a contract and wouldn't sign it after he sent it? around we go...this is posturing man. when the revenue is there, both sides will come together and get it done...it almost always works that way.