Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Would Like Wilder, But No Interest in Time Waster

[Jax teller]

FACT: Wilder called Joshua's " bluff " 2x.....

FACT: Joshua called Wilder's " bluff " 0x.....

2 > 0..... if you can't recognize that there is no point in talking

2 times? You might be correct I just don't remember both.

I guess you could say AJ has called Wilders bluff twice as Wilder stated "I'm not about the money" and he had two offers many times larger than his highest pay day. I'm not saying he should have took them before you get upset, only that he is about the money and not legacy.

Lets not forget the guy you support ran from Klitschko and has a large history of avoiding the best considering it took him 39 near pointless fights to fight someone competitive.

[Jax teller]

Ahhhhhh, Hearn said if that exact offer was for the UK instead of the US, he'd take it immediately, that's as close to a "this is a great offer" comment you can get, with out actually saying it. And are you actually saying it's Wilder's team fault for not pushing the $50 million offer harder? I mean it was negotiated for almost a month before AJ turned it down.

Wilder said that he accepted the 15 mil offer, I still wouldn't have said he thought it was a good offer.

I'm saying at the time if they'd agreed to meet and thrash out the details instead of taking long time to reply and blatantly refuse to provide more info, I'd agree that everything had been done.

The way they did do things seemed shady ,obviously my opinion but it seems partly backed up with backing out of pre-agreed meetings and Frank Warren coming out that he was involved in the procurement of the 50 mil and that it had a 30 mil rematch clause which Wilder didn't even seem to know about. Why would you get a rival promoter from the UK to help, shady?

[aboutfkntime]

2 times? You might be correct I just don't remember both.

I guess you could say AJ has called Wilders bluff twice as Wilder stated "I'm not about the money" and he had two offers many times larger than his highest pay day. I'm not saying he should have took them before you get upset, only that he is about the money and not legacy.

Lets not forget the guy you support ran from Klitschko and has a large history of avoiding the best considering it took him 39 near pointless fights to fight someone competitive.

oh, I thought you were up with the play

2x

what you described, was a 15mil low-ball that Wilder ACCEPTED

bluff called..... 2x

and I know you remember the $50mil

now you are up with the play

[aboutfkntime]

it is CLEARLY OBVIOUS who wants that fight, and who does not

CLEARLY

[Jax teller]

oh, I thought you were up with the play

2x

what you described, was a 15mil low-ball that Wilder ACCEPTED

bluff called..... 2x

and I know you remember the $50mil

now you are up with the play

I would've have said that was the other way round for that one, Wilder said he accepted but didnt do the important part and sign, looking like he didn't want the fight.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Wilder said that he accepted the 15 mil offer, I still wouldn't have said he thought it was a good offer.

I'm saying at the time if they'd agreed to meet and thrash out the details instead of taking long time to reply and blatantly refuse to provide more info, I'd agree that everything had been done.

The way they did do things seemed shady ,obviously my opinion but it seems partly backed up with backing out of pre-agreed meetings and Frank Warren coming out that he was involved in the procurement of the 50 mil and that it had a 30 mil rematch clause which Wilder didn't even seem to know about. Why would you get a rival promoter from the UK to help, shady?

Not even close to being the same. Wilder excepted that offer explicitly saying they are being low balled, and they were excepting a bad offer just to make the fight. That's not what Hearn said. It was a great offer, I think it's time you concede that.

The posturing from Wilder's team lasted less than a week after the $50 million was offered. Hearn sent his father to sit down with Wilder's team, and everything started moving. There is a block of over 3 weeks of negotiation that you (and others) seem to be willfully ignoring. You guys want to focus on the first week, and the last week, which is pretty hilarious.

First, Who really cares how that $50 million came about? The importance is that the guarantee was real, and the offer was on the table. Second, Warren hasn't once said he helped to get the $50 million, pleas post a link. Tony Bellew asked Warren how did he know that AJ was offered $80 million, and Warren said because he saw the contract, Bellew asked why did Finkle show him the contract, and Warren said it's because he's working with Wilder's team, he was talking about negotiating the Fury fight.

Bellew: ”How can you see it if you’re not the promoter of him? [Deontay Wilder]. How is that even possible?”

Warren: ”Because I work with Shelly Finkel, the management of Deontay Wilder,” Warren said. ”That’s why we’re having negotiations.”

Warren has confirmed that he helped with the deal, but not for the $50 million. He helped with the deal because BT sport, who he is in business with wanted to carry the fight. So as you probably don't know, the terms that were sent to AJ included Showtime PPV, and UK carriers as well, including BT sport which is a streaming service in the UK.

Warren: "When they were putting the deal together I actually helped with the deal because BT were keen to broadcast the fight so I have seen the offer."

There was no $30 million rematch clause. $30 million was an incentive from Showtime to sweeten the pot. If AJ were to lose and wanted the rematch, or AJ won and still wanted the rematch, he was guaranteed $30 million. It was also offered that the rematch take place in the UK. It wasn't a clause.

Now, yes both parties are to blame, more so as it pertains to the bad blood. But one party didn't want the fight now, and that's AJ's team. As I said, I believe AJ wants the fight, but as we seen, nobody around him wants it now. The reason why this fight isn't happening next, is because Hearn didn't want it next.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I would've have said that was the other way round for that one, Wilder said he accepted but didnt do the important part and sign, looking like he didn't want the fight.

The verbal agreement that Wilder made, was for an immediate fight, and it included a full rematch clause. When Wilder's team received the contract it had no date, and only a one way rematch clause. They asked Hearn for a date and the rematch clause (which was what was agreed to) Hearn responded by sending them a letter saying AJ was fighting Povetkin. Wilder didn't sign because the fight was not guaranteed to be next.

Also AJ still hasn't signed that contract either, what does that say about AJ?

[Jax teller]

Not even close to being the same. Wilder excepted that offer explicitly saying they are being low balled, and they were excepting a bad offer just to make the fight. That's not what Hearn said. It was a great offer, I think it's time you concede that.

The posturing from Wilder's team lasted less than a week after the $50 million was offered. Hearn sent his father to sit down with Wilder's team, and everything started moving. There is a block of over 3 weeks of negotiation that you (and others) seem to be willfully ignoring. You guys want to focus on the first week, and the last week, which is pretty hilarious.

First, Who really cares how that $50 million came about? The importance is that the guarantee was real, and the offer was on the table. Second, Warren hasn't once said he helped to get the $50 million, pleas post a link. Tony Bellew asked Warren how did he know that AJ was offered $80 million, and Warren said because he saw the contract, Bellew asked why did Finkle show him the contract, and Warren said it's because he's working with Wilder's team, he was talking about negotiating the Fury fight.

Bellew: ”How can you see it if you’re not the promoter of him? [Deontay Wilder]. How is that even possible?”

Warren: ”Because I work with Shelly Finkel, the management of Deontay Wilder,” Warren said. ”That’s why we’re having negotiations.”

Warren has confirmed that he helped with the deal, but not for the $50 million. He helped with the deal because BT sport, who he is in business with wanted to carry the fight. So as you probably don't know, the terms that were sent to AJ included Showtime PPV, and UK carriers as well, including BT sport which is a streaming service in the UK.

Warren: "When they were putting the deal together I actually helped with the deal because BT were keen to broadcast the fight so I have seen the offer."

There was no $30 million rematch clause. $30 million was an incentive from Showtime to sweeten the pot. If AJ were to lose and wanted the rematch, or AJ won and still wanted the rematch, he was guaranteed $30 million. It was also offered that the rematch take place in the UK. It wasn't a clause.

Now, yes both parties are to blame, more so as it pertains to the bad blood. But one party didn't want the fight now, and that's AJ's team. As I said, I believe AJ wants the fight, but as we seen, nobody around him wants it now. The reason why this fight isn't happening next, is because Hearn didn't want it next.

Warren: "When they were putting the deal together I actually helped with the deal because BT were keen to broadcast the fight so I have seen the offer."

I'd imagine the whole BT thing is a massive sticking point as AJ is with Sky and everyone knows this, so why involve Frank unless it was to cause problems? Also proving the offer not to be great and still Hearn has never admitted it great that point is just your interpretation.

[aboutfkntime]

Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Would Like Wilder, But.....

Joshua Would Like Wilder, B,b,b,b,b,b,b,b

[aboutfkntime]

I would've have said that was the other way round for that one, Wilder said he accepted but didnt do the important part and sign, looking like he didn't want the fight.

Hearn explicitly refused to give him a date, and Hearn explicitly refused to guarantee Joshua NEXT

b,b,b,b,b,b,b,......

Hearn was playing more games than you are, ya muppet