Can we stop this Myth that Arum doesn't work with PBC?

[rickJen]

Crawford v Spence can happen but when Haymon refuses to make his own top dogs fight, why would he match one with a rival top dog?

It took 18 months longer than needed to make Thurman v Porter, it took a year longer than needed to make thurman v Garcia, it's taken this long to make Porter/Garcia and Spence, since beating Brook has been scraping the bottom of the barrel.

PBC/Haymon and everyone involved in that enterprise are parasites to this sport.

There you go.
If uncle Al can't even make Danny G, Porter, Thurman fight Spence
why even talk about someone else's backyard?

If you want to blame Arum, then blame Haymon as well.
It's also about the fighters, whether they want it or not.
Spence and Crawford obviously doesn't want it now.
Look at Mikey Garcia. He wants Spence now, so he's getting it.
Haven't heard Crawford doing the same thing.

[IMDAZED]

There you go.
If uncle Al can't even make Danny G, Porter, Thurman fight Spence
why even talk about someone else's backyard?

If you want to blame Arum, then blame Haymon as well.
It's also about the fighters, whether they want it or not.
Spence and Crawford obviously doesn't want it now.
Look at Mikey Garcia. He wants Spence now, so he's getting it.
Haven't heard Crawford doing the same thing.

Uncle Al has already made Thurman-Porter, Thurman-Garcia, Spence-Brook and Garcia-Porter.

Tell me again what’s comparable?

[elfag]

PBC and arum have made small fights. Same when GBP and arum had beef they made small fights. They always had problems negotiating the big fights.

[sicko]

But you want him gone.

Arum is 86 years OLD nothing but respect to him to still be able to get around and still be as sharp as he is at that age. HOWEVER, I do think once his Son In Law takes things over, then making fights like Spence vs Crawford and Mikey Garcia vs Loma will become much easier

[lanker rom]

Yes and no. If I understand things correctly, Top Rank Boxing is the only company that ESPN can buy fights from, ESPN gives Top Rank money for a TV date, Top Rank pays a promoter (in this example, let's it's Lou DiBella) to bring the fighter he has rights to to ESPN, and that promoter and fighter split the Top Rank payment however their agreement says the money should be split. [A little bit ago, remember the spat that Chris Algieri had with Star Boxing; the small outfit built up Algieri and payed him even when the money wasn't really there, but there was a clause that any payday over a certain threshold would be split 50/50 between Algieri and Star Boxing].

Haymon is in an interesting spot if you think about it. PBC on FOX/FS1/BounceTV (the most likely "regular TV" package) is basically competing for content alongside ESPN; as the content buyer, PBC (Haymon) "buys" the cards from promoters, largely featuring Haymon fighters, and broadcasts the shows on TV.

On the other hand, with Showtime, Stephen Espinoza is the content buyer for fights (with Haymon basically having an exclusive deal); Espinoza will have money for a date, Espinoza will pay a promoter, that promoter will work out the details with the fighters, and the fighters and promoter will split everything after the event. Haymon usually controlling both fighters in the main event and many guys on the show, you basically have Haymon allocating most of the money for the promoter, instead of the other way.

OH I see so top rank has to pay other promoters and fighters in order to put them on his ESPN cards. Are the dates for these cards decided by espn or Top rank? And isn't this tactic a little risky for top rank if he doesn't have the promoters and fighters under exclusive contracts. Otherwise fighters they help build could appear on DAZN or golden boy cards and he would always have to worry about promoters deciding to pick sides. For instance lou always works with haymon.


Unless Top rank gets a exclusive with these guys it seems as though promoters like star, banner, dibella, and the promoters without a tv deal will be having dazn, top rank, pbc all bid for their fighters and the highest bidder will get the fighters they want. That isn't good for espn long term or top rank.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

There are dozens of Haymon fights and others that have fought on other platforms alongside with Arum and HBO.



I'm not saying he can't be difficult to work with, but for the most part that Cold war was mainly a Arum vs Floyd thing, not an Arum vs Haymon thing.


Lomachenko fought Gary Russel JR(an even fight at that point with GRJ even being the favorite)
Crawford fought Diaz, and John Molina JR. There's also numerous amounts of other instances of Bob Arum and or HBO working with Haymon and showtime.


I'm not saying it's something that's hard to do but I feel like Spence and Crawford could definitely make the fight happen easier if they called for it.


If i'm wrong let me know, this isn't trying to be a snarky thread, but can someone dig up how many haymon fighters have fought on HBO or ESPN and vice versa?

If the deal is favourable Arum will work with anyone...
That’s why he’s the best promoter of all time.

[Scipio2009]

OH I see so top rank has to pay other promoters and fighters in order to put them on his ESPN cards. Are the dates for these cards decided by espn or Top rank? And isn't this tactic a little risky for top rank if he doesn't have the promoters and fighters under exclusive contracts. Otherwise fighters they help build could appear on DAZN or golden boy cards and he would always have to worry about promoters deciding to pick sides. For instance lou always works with haymon.


Unless Top rank gets a exclusive with these guys it seems as though promoters like star, banner, dibella, and the promoters without a tv deal will be having dazn, top rank, pbc all bid for their fighters and the highest bidder will get the fighters they want. That isn't good for espn long term or top rank.

Just like with Showtime, ESPN gives Top Rank a date that works for them, and leave Arum to build an event that works; if the date doesn't work, ESPN offers the next date that works for them, I think.

Most fight agreements come with options (in case something goes left; think Dogboe sparking Magdeleno), but there's a reason why Arum books mismatches where the only competitive fights are the ones where he has both sides of the event under contract.

ESPN hitching their wagon to Top Rank was likely a mistake, but it's not a disastrous for the simple fact that they likely got the deal for cheap, they can turn over the Top Rank library on ESPN+ to make back most of it, and Vasyl Lomachenko may be a good enough fighter to clear out 135lbs if he can avoid Mikey Garcia.

[soul_survivor]

There you go.
If uncle Al can't even make Danny G, Porter, Thurman fight Spence
why even talk about someone else's backyard?

If you want to blame Arum, then blame Haymon as well.
It's also about the fighters, whether they want it or not.
Spence and Crawford obviously doesn't want it now.
Look at Mikey Garcia. He wants Spence now, so he's getting it.
Haven't heard Crawford doing the same thing.

I haven't seen anything from Crawford to show he's yellow. So I won't blame him just yet.

Also nothing to suggest Mikey v spence is happening. I've seen suggestions of yellow in Mikey so I'll be surprised to see it happen.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Arum is 86 years OLD nothing but respect to him to still be able to get around and still be as sharp as he is at that age. HOWEVER, I do think once his Son In Law takes things over, then making fights like Spence vs Crawford and Mikey Garcia vs Loma will become much easier

So the guy who has made tons of classic fights suddenly doesnt want to make them anymore?

[soul_survivor]

There you go.
If uncle Al can't even make Danny G, Porter, Thurman fight Spence
why even talk about someone else's backyard?

If you want to blame Arum, then blame Haymon as well.
It's also about the fighters, whether they want it or not.
Spence and Crawford obviously doesn't want it now.
Look at Mikey Garcia. He wants Spence now, so he's getting it.
Haven't heard Crawford doing the same thing.

Is Mikey v Spence even happening? I highly doubt it tbh.

Spence's championship run is almost as embarrassing as Wilders.