Can we stop this Myth that Arum doesn't work with PBC?

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There are dozens of Haymon fights and others that have fought on other platforms alongside with Arum and HBO.



I'm not saying he can't be difficult to work with, but for the most part that Cold war was mainly a Arum vs Floyd thing, not an Arum vs Haymon thing.


Lomachenko fought Gary Russel JR(an even fight at that point with GRJ even being the favorite)
Crawford fought Diaz, and John Molina JR. There's also numerous amounts of other instances of Bob Arum and or HBO working with Haymon and showtime.


I'm not saying it's something that's hard to do but I feel like Spence and Crawford could definitely make the fight happen easier if they called for it.


If i'm wrong let me know, this isn't trying to be a snarky thread, but can someone dig up how many haymon fighters have fought on HBO or ESPN and vice versa?

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There are dozens of Haymon fights and others that have fought on other platforms alongside with Arum and HBO.



I'm not saying he can't be difficult to work with, but for the most part that Cold war was mainly a Arum vs Floyd thing, not an Arum vs Haymon thing.


Lomachenko fought Gary Russel JR(an even fight at that point with GRJ even being the favorite)
Crawford fought Diaz, and John Molina JR. There's also numerous amounts of other instances of Bob Arum and or HBO working with Haymon and showtime.


I'm not saying it's something that's hard to do but I feel like Spence and Crawford could definitely make the fight happen easier if they called for it.


If i'm wrong let me know, this isn't trying to be a snarky thread, but can someone dig up how many haymon fighters have fought on HBO or ESPN and vice versa?

In the last 5 years, you have two instances (Lomachenko, Pacquiao) where you had a Top Rank fighter fight on an event that was not lead promoted by Top Rank, and one of those instances happened because it was a mandated fight for a vacant belt that Top Rank lost the bid on.

Bob Arum is happy to have anyone fight under his banner, because he gets to dictate the event on his terms, full stop. The moment that Arum is on the other side of that, he'll ***** and moan about everything, even if he ends up with $100m+ coming through his company.

And that's the problem.

Say what you want about PBC and the affiliated promoters, but watch how they move. The loyalty is clearly to Showtime/CBS (and the coming PBC of FOX/FS1 and BounceTV deal) but that's almost never an impediment.

Marcus Browne was able to seemingly get a fair deal to head over to HBO, and when that fell through, Elieder Alvarez headed over to HBO when he got a fair deal to fight Kovalev. When Terence Crawford was the man at 140lbs, Haymon sent fighters over when the money was fair. Animosity aside, DiBella and Hearn were able to come to an agreement on Tevin Farmer, because the deal made sense for Farmer.

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In the last 5 years, you have two instances (Lomachenko, Pacquiao) where you had a Top Rank fighter fight on an event that was not lead promoted by Top Rank, and one of those instances happened because it was a mandated fight for a vacant belt that Top Rank lost the bid on.

Bob Arum is happy to have anyone fight under his banner, because he gets to dictate the event on his terms, full stop. The moment that Arum is on the other side of that, he'll ***** and moan about everything, even if he ends up with $100m+ coming through his company.

And that's the problem.

Say what you want about PBC and the affiliated promoters, but watch how they move. The loyalty is clearly to Showtime/CBS (and the coming PBC of FOX/FS1 and BounceTV deal) but that's almost never an impediment.

Marcus Browne was able to seemingly get a fair deal to head over to HBO, and when that fell through, Elieder Alvarez headed over to HBO when he got a fair deal to fight Kovalev. When Terence Crawford was the man at 140lbs, Haymon sent fighters over when the money was fair. Animosity aside, DiBella and Hearn were able to come to an agreement on Tevin Farmer, because the deal made sense for Farmer.

Tevin Farmer is not with Al Haymon

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There are dozens of Haymon fights and others that have fought on other platforms alongside with Arum and HBO.



I'm not saying he can't be difficult to work with, but for the most part that Cold war was mainly a Arum vs Floyd thing, not an Arum vs Haymon thing.


Lomachenko fought Gary Russel JR(an even fight at that point with GRJ even being the favorite)
Crawford fought Diaz, and John Molina JR. There's also numerous amounts of other instances of Bob Arum and or HBO working with Haymon and showtime.


I'm not saying it's something that's hard to do but I feel like Spence and Crawford could definitely make the fight happen easier if they called for it.


If i'm wrong let me know, this isn't trying to be a snarky thread, but can someone dig up how many haymon fighters have fought on HBO or ESPN and vice versa?

Lomachenko vs GRJ was a purse bid won by GBP.

Molina Jr and Diaz were not big names nor top guys but they got very good pay days so it was a no brainier for Haymon to send them to HBO. And for Arum he needed fights for Crawford and got them.

Do I think these two can work together? Of course, but right now Top Rank has guaranteed dates on ESPN and won't put one of their top two prime stars unless the money is worth it. When Arum says Crawford will only fight Spence when it will be PPV worthy, he means it. Lets say hypothetically Haymon says the fight happens on whatever network offers more money, Arum will turn that deal down.

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Tevin Farmer is not with Al Haymon

Tevin Farmer is with Lou DiBella, who is affiliated with Al Haymon.

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Tevin Farmer is with Lou DiBella, who is affiliated with Al Haymon.

nope Lou is his own man and just signed Farmer with Hearn and DiBella. No association with Haymon.

DiBella just did a Devenchenko on HBO Prograis on ESPN, etc. He’s not tied to Haymon at all.

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There are dozens of Haymon fights and others that have fought on other platforms alongside with Arum and HBO.

Since Mayweather-Pacquiao, has there been a non-mandatory fight between an Arum A-side and a Haymon A-side?

Lomachenko fought Gary Russel JR(an even fight at that point with GRJ even being the favorite)

That was a mandatory fight that went to purse bid.

Crawford fought Diaz, and John Molina JR.

Arum has no problem using a Haymon opponent when needed when Arum's A-side isn't at risk of losing. Haymon has no problem supplying an opponent that had nothing going on anyway and was of little value to Haymon.

I'm not saying it's something that's hard to do but I feel like Spence and Crawford could definitely make the fight happen easier if they called for it.

There's way too much at risk for Arum in that fight. There's just no way for Arum to justify doing that fight. He has very very few stars. He can't afford to risk sacrificing one of them to a non-inhouse fighter.

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Both sides are very selective with who they match their guys with when they do work together. Seems like PBC is a little more open to letting their guys go fight elsewhere if they've lost a couple fights and its in their best financial interest to do so.

[Madison Boxing]

people have made their mind up that its arum stopping the fight and wont work with other companies. even though he has done in the past, that doesnt matter. it cant be either of crawford or spences fault (the forum golden boys) so we'll blame the old white man for it.

[The Big Dunn]

people have made their mind up that its arum stopping the fight and wont work with other companies. even though he has done in the past, that doesnt matter. it cant be either of crawford or spences fault (the forum golden boys) so we'll blame the old white man for it.

Yet another example of why you have the reputation you do on this site.

Arum is on record as saying he will not make the Spence/Crawford fight unless he he has proof it is a a 500k selling PPV. There is a thread about it.

Yet you are blaming the two fighters for the fight not happening and also implying any poster that blames Arum is doing so because he is white rather than because of what he said.