Wilder & american boxing under pressure!

[Raggamuffin]

Obviously in general there's been a mainstream drop in the interest in Boxing and I'm sure it has something to do with the plight of the heavyweights. I've personally never seen the fascination with the Heavyweight division but the sport needs casual fans to truly thrive as a whole and casual fans have historically been more attracted to the big men. I think it's no secret that British boxing has been on the up the last 10 years but it's taken a popular, unified Heavyweight to take it to the next level in public interest it seems.

Maybe there's just less talented big guys entering the sport here these days? Maybe the coaching has gotten worse/outdated? Maybe it's just a dry patch? Maybe it's all of the above. I think the last American Heavyweight that I would consider good or say, very good was probably Rid**** Bowe. The last great one was Holyfield. Clinging onto Wilder seems desperate and for fans that really, really care about where a fighter comes from or has so much national pride I think that's a sad state of the current standards of American Heavyweights and one that hopefully changes. America has a long, great tradition of legendary Heavyweights it just seems a shame to try and manufacture one like Wilder who has awful footwork, poor defense, low ring IQ, awful technique and doesn't throw many left hooks. I don't get it.

There will be another great one though. Maybe in 10 years he'll emerge but the talent pool is so low it's going to be difficult to hone his skills in the gym, the amateur ranks etc; Law of averages says he'll come soon enough though.

IMO the last great Heavyweight was Lennox Lewis though some argue for the Klits. I'd say they were very good and better than Joshua and Fury for example but not great.

I've never understood or related to the so-called fans who root for the sport to fail though and can't accept other markets and regions/countries being involved. Globalization is good for the sport and thriving industry and markets are good for the sport. It produces more money to put back into the sport and deliver the matches we want. Too many "fans" these days are interested in the fortunes of 2-3 guys they love and 2-3 guys they hate. It's a problem with the boxing public these days. I'm not sure why so many fans are so triggered and insecure about the European talent and the British market and fans and I'm a fight going Los Angeles based boxing fan who regularly travels to Vegas, NYC to see fights and has been to U.K fights and shows in Puerto Rico and Mexico and other states and cities. There's excellent boxing and boxers everywhere and it's easily accessible.

He said Rid**** Bowe yall, lmao.

[kafkod]

I think it's no secret that British boxing has been on the up the last 10 years but it's taken a popular, unified Heavyweight to take it to the next level in public interest it seems.

The HWs have always been the standard bearers of the sport.

The lack of somebody like an Anthony Joshua in US boxing, for over 10 years, hit the sport hard in a country that rates success and winning so highly, imo.

Maybe there's just less talented big guys entering the sport here these days? Maybe the coaching has gotten worse/outdated? Maybe it's just a dry patch? Maybe it's all of the above.

I think "old school" US coaching did fall behind the more scientifically based methods being used in Eastern Europe. And also in the UK - since our government started pouring National Lottery money into sports. You only need to look at the medal tables of the last three Olympics to see the impact that lottery money has had on UK sports, right across the board.

Success breeds success, by attracting more and more talented youngsters to a sport they see as offering them opportunities to earn both big money and massive respect.

But unfortunately, the opposite also applies there!

[Raggamuffin]

Here online I've met every type of person that you could ever meet. The online bully, the liar, the knowledgeable, the "said on purpose fan", the living through vicariously, the fake, the phony, the genuine, the ones that go to fights, the ones who financially can't go, and the ones who love the sport and will always keep it real-fans. I respect them all. What I say is true, but I'm only just guessing lol.

When I see a post and topic like this, I get a sense of insecurity from the author of the video and the few fans who agree with him. This doesn't really have to do with the American hvw. It has more to do with how we've dominated the sport at hvw for more than 100 years, and how a hvw weight NOT from the US has become champion. I loved watching Wlad fight when others didn't because he didn't duck guys. Yeah he clinched and helld, and he was also kod by our heavies, but he learned. The fake hate-to me it's calculated. Even a Mexican born Loma fan tells falsehoods of the situation lmao.

We as boxing fans don't really care about where the great fighter comes from. And we realize that they will have countrymen who support them ala Pac and many others in the past who have come to our country and dominated. But to insist that the American hvw...if he loses will damage boxing here in the United States is hilarious because you perceive a top hvw as "not all the way back". Hilarious!

The one thing that our boxers have always had is courage. Wilder has challenged the trinket holding coward from the UK...and with the help of a greedy promoter, he has held his trinkets as if he's a reigning champion when he has embarrassed himself in front of the boxing world. Joshua has "zero respect" from the boxing world. The American wanted to fight him and when he didn't want to fight...the lineal champion stepped in with all of the courage in the world. To say that Fury won't be at 100% when they fight and if Wilder loses will be an embarrassment to AMERICAN boxing is utterly ****en hilarious, lmao.

Boxing in our country hasnt had a dominant champion since Lennox took over. But, Lennox was beaten by heavies who weren't the best and so was Wlad......yet those countries are doing ok, lmao. Boxing is a career for true fighters, not some fad created by an armchair with access to making videos corrupting fans thinking of the sport. Fighters lose and that's been a part of boxing since forever.

Some fans went on to say that Wlad didn't fight top comp after he started his second reign. I respect his second reign because to be kod 3 times, come all the way back...and become the lineal champion AND reign deserves respect. Just because Joshua's fans say that Fury isn't all the way back doesn't mean that it's true. They have ulterior motives. That's why they ask you what does this have to do with Joshua and Hearn when you mention those two, lmao. The video is ridiculous to boxing fans, but it isn't to UK fanatics and Joshua fans. There isn't a bit of grain of truth to what he says. He's just a fool making a video with underlying reasons...rooting for Joshua and I can respect that.

[chrisJS]

Some fans went on to say that Wlad didn't fight top comp after he started his second reign. I respect his second reign because to be kod 3 times, come all the way back...and become the lineal champion AND reign deserves respect. Just because Joshua's fans say that Fury isn't all the way back doesn't mean that it's true. They have ulterior motives. That's why they ask you what does this have to do with Joshua and Hearn when you mention those two, lmao. The video is ridiculous to boxing fans, but it isn't to UK fanatics and Joshua fans. There isn't a bit of grain of truth to what he says. He's just a fool making a video with underlying reasons...rooting for Joshua and I can respect that.

I have heard you say you can't respect a fighter that doesn't re-match a guy that beat him. How can you respect Wlad for not re-matching two guys that KO'd him in Corey Sanders and Ross Purity? I am curious because you have said that previously and cited as a reason why you, in your own words said you "despise" or "hate" Tszyu and Lomachenko. Why isn't Tszyu afforded the same respect for coming back and actually becoming undisputed and lineal?

Also he became "lineal" because his brother retired. He inherited it without winning it in the ring.

[Raggamuffin]

I have heard you say you can't respect a fighter that doesn't re-match a guy that beat him. How can you respect Wlad for not re-matching two guys that KO'd him in Corey Sanders and Ross Purity? I am curious because you have said that previously and cited as a reason why you, in your own words said you "despise" or "hate" Tszyu and Lomachenko. Why isn't Tszyu afforded the same respect for coming back and actually becoming undisputed and lineal?

Also he became "lineal" because his brother retired. He inherited it without winning it in the ring.

This has Loma overtones written all over it. And I knew you would quote this post. Bee sting on ass lmao.

[kafkod]

Here online I've met every type of person that you could ever meet. The online bully, the liar, the knowledgeable, the "said on purpose fan", the living through vicariously, the fake, the phony, the genuine, the ones that go to fights, the ones who financially can't go, and the ones who love the sport and will always keep it real-fans. I respect them all. What I say is true, but I'm only just guessing lol.

When I see a post and topic like this, I get a sense of insecurity from the author of the video and the few fans who agree with him. This doesn't really have to do with the American hvw. It has more to do with how we've dominated the sport at hvw for more than 100 years, and how a hvw weight NOT from the US has become champion. I loved watching Wlad fight when others didn't because he didn't duck guys. Yeah he clinched and helld, and he was also kod by our heavies, but he learned. The fake hate-to me it's calculated. Even a Mexican born Loma fan tells falsehoods of the situation lmao.

We as boxing fans don't really care about where the great fighter comes from. And we realize that they will have countrymen who support them ala Pac and many others in the past who have come to our country and dominated. But to insist that the American hvw...if he loses will damage boxing here in the United States is hilarious because you perceive a top hvw as "not all the way back". Hilarious!

The one thing that our boxers have always had is courage. Wilder has challenged the trinket holding coward from the UK...and with the help of a greedy promoter, he has held his trinkets as if he's a reigning champion when he has embarrassed himself in front of the boxing world. Joshua has "zero respect" from the boxing world. The American wanted to fight him and when he didn't want to fight...the lineal champion stepped in with all of the courage in the world. To say that Fury won't be at 100% when they fight and if Wilder loses will be an embarrassment to AMERICAN boxing is utterly ****en hilarious, lmao.

Boxing in our country hasnt had a dominant champion since Lennox took over. But, Lennox was beaten by heavies who weren't the best and so was Wlad......yet those countries are doing ok, lmao. Boxing is a career for true fighters, not some fad created by an armchair with access to making videos corrupting fans thinking of the sport. Fighters lose and that's been a part of boxing since forever.

Some fans went on to say that Wlad didn't fight top comp after he started his second reign. I respect his second reign because to be kod 3 times, come all the way back...and become the lineal champion AND reign deserves respect. Just because Joshua's fans say that Fury isn't all the way back doesn't mean that it's true. They have ulterior motives. That's why they ask you what does this have to do with Joshua and Hearn when you mention those two, lmao. The video is ridiculous to boxing fans, but it isn't to UK fanatics and Joshua fans. There isn't a bit of grain of truth to what he says. He's just a fool making a video with underlying reasons...rooting for Joshua and I can respect that.

The truth is that you are more obsessed with AJ than any of his fans here. And no true boxing fan would ever call an Olympic gold medal winner and unified world champion a coward.

[Raggamuffin]

The truth is that you are more obsessed with AJ than any of his fans here. And no true boxing fan would ever call an Olympic gold medal winner and unified world champion a coward.

Joshua is a ****en coward, and this post that you quoted was written for the loser Loma fan. I throw the bait out and reel them in. Just sit in coach and watch me annhilate this moron. Lmao.

[chrisJS]

This has Loma overtones written all over it. And I knew you would quote this post. Bee sting on ass lmao.

You've said it about Tszyu. Now you've been caught in a double standard to try and prove a point about a fighter you are obsessed with. A fighter you may have gay feelings towards in some strange way. A fighter you wake up and go to sleep thinking of. For a man that's in his 40's or 50's that's concerning.

I'm also not Mexican born or even 1% Mexican in any way so that's another lie and something you are also wrong on as you usually are.

[Raggamuffin]

You've said it about Tszyu. Now you've been caught in a double standard to try and prove a point about a fighter you are obsessed with. A fighter you may have gay feelings towards in some strange way. A fighter you wake up and go to sleep thinking of. For a man that's in his 40's or 50's that's concerning.

I respect Tszyu, but I call a spade a spade. Same with Wlad and Loma and all of the other fighters that you seem to think that I don't like. They didnt do rematches with men who beat them and they will be judged. So am I supposed to hate them their whole careers moron? It's because you assume when you don't know ****.

I hold fighters in different categories of greatness which is why I can criticize all fighters. You just take it that everyone has a color agenda when it comes to Loma because your thinking is weak and cowardly. ******.

Right now you have Loma as a HOF. You're a ****en joke of a boxing fan. And the most ridiculous thing was you thinking that you're a bigger boxing fans than others because you go to fights lmao. You don't know **** about anyone here.

[Raggamuffin]

Watch how I turn it up on this fake ass boxing fan lmao.