Comments Thread For: Wilder: Once I Beat Fury, Fans Must Pressure Joshua To Fight Me

[Noelanthony]

That's a lie. The IBO isn't considered a world title.

AJ does hold two and one third of the four recognized titles, but if he refuses to fight outside of the UK, refuses to fight the opponent everybody considers the most dangerous fight, refuses to fight for the lineal world heavyweight championship, etc, he's really just the world champion of England.

Nobody wanted to see AJ fight 20 to 1 underdog Povetkin. Everybody wanted to see AJ fight Wilder. AJ refused. Life goes on. Outside of England, Wilder vs. Fury is much bigger around the world than Joshua vs. Povetkin. Wilder vs. Fury will generate a larger gate. Wilder vs. Fury is the much bigger fight everywhere outside of England (and Russia).

You are now going onto several other points I never questioned how big Fury vs Wilder is or whether AJ or Wilder was at fault you asked me to tell you where you detailed incorrect information I believe I did and now you are challenging me with the IBO. Who cares I’ve never mentioned that belt but even if he solely had that belt he would not be champion of England.

Now you are paid to comment which I respect but I would had thought you would be slightly impartial in your narrative although it’s understandable

[N/A]

you are challenging me with the IBO. Who cares I’ve never mentioned that belt

You're lying.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19037548&postcount=31

"IBO belts are Considered World belts"

[Noelanthony]

Before you beat up on Ortiz's record maybe you should read up on it. He won 349 amateur bouts, Pan Am gold, Cuban national gold, and world cup silver. His amateur record is pretty solid. He didn't turn pro until 2010, and has only got one shot at a title, which he was actually close to winning until gassing out.

He has a couple common opponents, one with Wlad (Jennings) who he KO'd, when Wlad couldn't. Also KO'd Allen who Whyte put us to sleep with a boring UD. Whyte about crapped his pants when he was ordered to fight Ortiz. Whyte also pulled out of the Pulev fight when Hearn lost the purse bid. (and he calls Fury and Wilder afraid to fight him)

Maybe he doesn't bring big money to the table, but Breazeale and Eric Molina got title shots with AJ, and they are not on Ortiz's level.

Solid response. I blame English oxide who said Ortiz has never won anything as an amateur or a professional and I thought I like his conviction let’s run with that. Oh well. My feelings towards him are still the same and I’m happy that you were aware he gassed against Wilder even though with the exception of being knocked down he had everything his way. It’s his engine why I believe lesser fighters will beat him today. I could be wrong and as you pointed out it wouldn’t be the first time

[Noelanthony]

You're lying.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19037548&postcount=31

"IBO belts are Considered World belts"

hey this is getting very petty .I meant I don’t mention it when comparing and contrasting Deontay Wilder. I say Joshua holds 3 belts compared to Deontay’s 1 belt. That’s what I mean. But yes I mentioned it when talking to you because as I stated that belt does not make him Champion of England which is what you incorrectly stated. Yes that may be your subjective opinion but factually you are incorrect.

[Noelanthony]

haha maybe we can start a petition to remove xhaka from the team

My sentiments exactly

[Shadoww702]

the Russian wilder ducked in 2016?..don't worry Joshua's gonna take care of him in less than 9 rounds..and I like wilder..I just don't like his fans so much

How do you duck someone when they get popped for juicing??? Im Pednelo fan and I cant even use that excuse for him.

[Bronx2245]

“They offered Ortiz the deal and then pulled out.” How close was your head to the Tv when Wilder administered those blows to Ortiz because it seems you have mild concussion. Now before I go on the full offensive and break down the nonsense you just wrote I would like to take this opportunity to tell you it’s nothing personal and I don’t know you as a main so please don’t get sensitive.

Ok first off you have never read anything regarding a deal was offered to Ortiz then revoked. Why then would you say that? Go away and research what really took place. I won’t send you the link because I respect you and as a man you should be finding out things for yourself.

So what if Ortiz is a technician he has been working in the lab for 50 years now he is old and ponderous. For all the s#hit I say about Wilder he is a bad bad dude but when he fights he does use his god given attributes to his advantage. He is athletic and can be elusive he is rangy why is he fighting at Ortiz pace and being walked down.

Ortiz is a great boxer but Whyte beats him. Don’t get me wrong Whyte looks like S#hit every time he enters that ring. His balance is atrocious but he has heart and as you have seen with these elite Cubans when they are not used to being hit and bullied they fold. My last visual picture of Ortiz was snot all over his face and him collapsing like a sack of patoatoes in the 10th rd. Yes technically Ortiz is better than all the fighters I mentioned including Wilder but what does that mean? They all have a better engine than him and can take more punishment than him so for those reasons they stand a very good chance of beating him.

As for being an AJ fan and butt hurt. Those comments go over my head. I have my own life outside this forum. What another man chooses to do with his , please believe me does not affect me. My main sport is football and I’m a suffering Arsenal season ticket holder so I really couldn’t be asked which is evident in my responses and comments.

You're convinced that Whyte is better than Ortiz! Maybe you should convince Whyte and Hearn too! Who cares if it's a final eliminator? If Whyte can beat Ortiz, then fight Ortiz! They both just fought on the same night! They both need to make a statement! It's the perfect fight for Whyte!

[Andre_parker1]

How do you duck someone when they get popped for juicing??? Im Pednelo fan and I cant even use that excuse for him.

but he fought ortiz didn't he,besides it was a little amount like 0.000000005 amount of meldonium..traces,that was an opportunity for wilder to back out and he took it..smart man..now he's gonna take easy fights and fight out of shape men and then patiently wait for that A.j payday like how golovkin and the other middleweights wait for canelo payday

[ShoulderRoll]

The UK fans need to start calling out Hearn and Joshua for being the pussies that they are.

[angkag]

IF he beats Fury Joshua would have no choice but to face him as the Brits would demand it

For sure, if he beats Fury a lot more casual fans in the UK will know who he is, and many will call on their Good Knight (Joshua) to go avenge this troublesome, noisy Yank.

It for sure raises Wilders negotiating position above the current 15m.

Currently Joshua can get away with dodging Wilder as Wilder is fairly unknown in the UK (to the casuals), but that all changes after a Fury fight.

So less flexibility for Joshua to dodge Wilder + Wilder having a better negotiating position - Hearn must be hating this lol.