Comments Thread For: Wilder: Once I Beat Fury, Fans Must Pressure Joshua To Fight Me

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1) Wilder’s team didn’t actually sign the bad deal.

Because they were waiting for Hearn to give them the date. Hearn told them to give him a few days. A few days went by and Hearn finally admitted he'd decided to fight Povetkin next and that the date would be April. At that point, Wilder pulled out of the deal because he was only willing to accept a flat fee if the fight was next.

2) so you’re at the very least deeply su****ious of the timing of the WBA’s announcement? That much I get. Is corruption rife in boxing? Yes and it’s within the realms of probability that a promoter could bribe a sanctioning body. But still it’s purely speculation until proven otherwise.

You don't even have to bribe them. They get paid a percentage of the purses. They want to be in the AJ business because he has the largest purses.

AJ was never in jeopardy of getting stripped like Hearn claimed. The worst thing that would have happened is that the WBA would have ordered a purse bid weeks later. Meaning Wilder could have signed Friday as promised. Hearn is the one that decided to do Povetkin next. The WBA letter gave him the excuse he needed, even though anybody with an understanding of sanctioning body politics would know the WBA letter was meaningless.

[Noelanthony]

Where? Everywhere. To who? To everyone that follows the heavyweight lineage back to 1885.

Excluding of course where we derive our facts from anything boxing related. Ok let’s try another way becomes it seems you can not be impartial when Deontay Wilders name is mentioned.

If a flyweight is recognised as number 1 in the world , holds 4 of the 5 belts and happens to fight a boxer ranked no 3 in the world and wins will he hold his number 1 status or fighter ranked no 2 in the world beats fighter ranked 8 in the World will supersede him? Please an educated assessment not your opinion .Thank you very much your time has been greatly appreciated

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it seems you can not be impartial when Deontay Wilders name is mentioned.

I'm completely impartial. I have Joshua #1 in my heavyweight rankings and Wilder #2. If the fight had taken place this year in England, I favored Joshua to win. I'm not American. I have no stake in any of this. Facts are facts. Wilder wanted the fight ASAP and Joshua didn't. Likely because Wilder had nothing to lose and Joshua had everything to lose. Taking the Wilder fight next would have been a very poor business decision. Hearn is one of the best promoters in the world. It would have been complete incompetence on his part to do the Wilder fight next. Hearn did what any competent promoter would have done. Take the safer fight first.

If a flyweight is recognised as number 1 in the world , holds 4 of the 5 belts and happens to fight a boxer ranked no 3 in the world and wins will he hold his number 1 status or fighter ranked no 2 in the world beats fighter ranked 8 in the World will supersede him?

There aren't five recognized belts. So right off the bat you show that you either know nothing about boxing, or you're so biased towards Joshua that you're willing to lie about whether the IBO is a recognized title (it isn't).

Further, you point to TBRB's #8 rating for Fury, but then claim Povetkin is #3, even though TBRB actually has him #5. Again, showing that you either know nothing about boxing, or you're so biased towards Joshua that you're willing to lie about Povetkin's ranking.

Being the lineal heavyweight champion of the world has nothing to do with rankings except for when a vacancy needs to be filled. As long as Fury is champion, it doesn't matter where he's rated.

[Noelanthony]

I'm completely impartial. I have Joshua #1 in my heavyweight rankings and Wilder #2. If the fight had taken place this year in England, I favored Joshua to win. I'm not American. I have no stake in any of this. Facts are facts. Wilder wanted the fight ASAP and Joshua didn't. Likely because Wilder had nothing to lose and Joshua had everything to lose. Taking the Wilder fight next would have been a very poor business decision. Hearn is one of the best promoters in the world. It would have been complete incompetence on his part to do the Wilder fight next. Hearn did what any competent promoter would have done. Take the safer fight first.




There aren't five recognized belts. So right off the bat you show that you either know nothing about boxing, or you're so biased towards Joshua that you're willing to lie about whether the IBO is a recognized title (it isn't).

Further, you point to TBRB's #8 rating for Fury, but then claim Povetkin is #3, even though TBRB actually has him #5. Again, showing that you either know nothing about boxing, or you're so biased towards Joshua that you're willing to lie about Povetkin's ranking.

Being the lineal heavyweight champion of the world has nothing to do with rankings except for when a vacancy needs to be filled. As long as Fury is champion, it doesn't matter where he's rated.

Do you respond with the intent to understand or just reply? So right of the bat you are wrong. Read what I wrote. I told you putting Povetkin at number 3 will ruffle your feathers.

We are going round in circles here I merely alluded to the fact that jOshua until he is beaten will be ranked no1 irrespective if Wilder beats Fury. Is that hard for you to digest. I don’t want to hear your opinion on Hearn and being best promoter. That is not what I asked

You are paid to provide a service I suggest you do that but try and pay attention to what you type it seems you suffer from psychogenic amnesia. I mean that with the greatest of respect because you mean well

[P to the J]

Because they were waiting for Hearn to give them the date. Hearn told them to give him a few days. A few days went by and Hearn finally admitted he'd decided to fight Povetkin next and that the date would be April. At that point, Wilder pulled out of the deal because he was only willing to accept a flat fee if the fight was next.




You don't even have to bribe them. They get paid a percentage of the purses. They want to be in the AJ business because he has the largest purses.

AJ was never in jeopardy of getting stripped like Hearn claimed. The worst thing that would have happened is that the WBA would have ordered a purse bid weeks later. Meaning Wilder could have signed Friday as promised. Hearn is the one that decided to do Povetkin next. The WBA letter gave him the excuse he needed, even though anybody with an understanding of sanctioning body politics would know the WBA letter was meaningless.

As far as the second point is concerned you’re probably right - you certainly make a convincing case for it - but it’s still conjecture, isn’t it? It’s still just your opinion?
And if you recall my earlier point, I rarely see the actions of Wilder’s team scrutinised in such detail and therefore it still seems to be fair game to presume motives on the part of one side but allow one side’s remarks to go unchecked.

Re: the unsigned contract. Wilder seemed to have no problem with a date-less (and venue-less) contract when it came to Fury. There were no histrionics then about one side not being serious about the fight or about fighting next either. To me, it reflects badly on Wilder but I could be missing the point.

What am I missing?

[OldTerry]

If you read what I said, I literally mentioned warlord ***** second. Furthermore, neither Hilary Clinton nor Bernie Sanders made it to office so they haven’t had the chance to be cynical, war-mongering, prejudiced, extremist, *********-supporting wankers.

Could it be worse? Ask the people of any Central/ South American, Southeast Asian or Middle Eastern countries if it could be. Whoever’s in that White House will **** them up and **** up the underprivileged in your country whilst they’re at it.

Lots of truth in what you say. People may go into politics with great motives but once the guys with the money and real power (behind the scene guys) get to them they change. The real problem is people don't love their fellow humans.

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jOshua until he is beaten will be ranked no1 irrespective if Wilder beats Fury.

Being ranked #1 and being the champion are two different things.

And depending on how Joshua and Wilder look in their next fights, AJ's stranglehold on the #1 ranking may begin to loosen. Ortiz looking so good in his last fight, against an opponent that had just gone the distance with Parker, added credibility to Wilder's most recent win. IMO, AJ is clearly #1, but that could change over time if Wilder continues to knock guys out.

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As far as the second point is concerned you’re probably right - you certainly make a convincing case for it - but it’s still conjecture, isn’t it? It’s still just your opinion?

It's not an opinion that AJ couldn't be stripped unless they held a purse bid and he refused to go through with the fight. It's not an opinion that a week later the Povetkin fight hadn't been signed yet and AJ wasn't stripped, proving Hearn was lying that AJ would be stripped if he didn't sign to fight Povetkin within 24 hours.

Re: the unsigned contract. Wilder seemed to have no problem with a date-less (and venue-less) contract when it came to Fury. There were no histrionics then about one side not being serious about the fight or about fighting next either. To me, it reflects badly on Wilder but I could be missing the point.

What am I missing?

What your missing is that the Wilder/Fury contract stipulates that the fight will take place in November or December with no interim fights. Which is the same offer Wilder made AJ in the term sheet for the 50 million deal. What months the fight could be in, and that there couldn't be any interim fights.

The contract Hearn sent Wilder didn't list any months at all, and didn't contain any language preventing AJ from taking interim fights. That's the difference.

[Noelanthony]

Being ranked #1 and being the champion are two different things.

And depending on how Joshua and Wilder look in their next fights, AJ's stranglehold on the #1 ranking may begin to loosen. Ortiz looking so good in his last fight, against an opponent that had just gone the distance with Parker, added credibility to Wilder's most recent win. IMO, AJ is clearly #1, but that could change over time if Wilder continues to knock guys out.

Not in Joshua’s case they are both Synonymous with each other but I do agree with you on that point.

[Jax teller]

Both against D.Wilder. Nice try.

Pretty sure the first time he was WBA mandatory for AJ hence he was removed from their rankings and AJ no longer had to fight him.