Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua, Hearn Degraded Me - $15 Mill & No Percentage!

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

These dummies with the, "it's more than he ever made!"
Hearn puppets didn't realize that's not how you do business. Your worth is not based on how much you've made, it's how much you can generate for a specific event and these guys spent endless hours arguing just to be proven completely wrong.

This is illogical. If I fight Floyd Mayweather the event draws 100% because of Floyd. Therefore Floyd deserves the vast majority of the pot. See Mayweather fights with Chico, Ghost, Ortiz etc.. to see what cut/percentage they made from the specific event.

Case in point if Joshua-Wilder happens; Joshua deserves the vast majority of the pot because people are paying to watch him more so than Wilder.

[Ake-Dawg]

This is illogical. If I fight Floyd Mayweather the event draws 100% because of Floyd. Therefore Floyd deserves the vast majority of the pot. See Mayweather fights with Chico, Ghost, Ortiz etc.. to see what cut/percentage they made from the specific event.

Case in point if Joshua-Wilder happens; Joshua deserves the vast majority of the pot because people are paying to watch him more so than Wilder.

You're being a tad too simplistic and using examples which aren't comparable. Fighters are paid based on the value they bring to the fight. Wilder brings the WBC belt, a U.S. following, and a danger to Joshua he's never faced. Further, should he fight and beat Fury, he'll have a UK following. That's value to the fight and deserving of 40%. People will be paying to watch Joshua, to watch Joshua fight Wilder, to watch Wilder, and to watch Wilder fight Joshua.

[Ake-Dawg]

I keep hearing this May and pac argument but you guys seem to either be forgetting or completely ignoring the fact that BOTH may and pac were proven ppv sellers before the fight. Both may and pac were generating healthy paydays for themselves without big name opponents. Only one of wilder and Joshua are doing that. When wilder can make $15 million dollars against a takam level opponent then we can start talking 50/50 splits and a flat fee rate quadruple the amount of your highest payday being “disrespectful”

GGG couldn't make $5M against a "takam level opponent" but got 30% and 45% from GBP to fight Alvarez. Everyone knows that 50% is the ask, with the expectation that he'll get something lower. At this stage, anyone who uses the 50% ask in argument is simply trying to justify the flat fee without acknowledging how boxing deals historically get made.

[Butch.McRae]

A couple points:

-I'm fairly certain that MGM Resorts will put up a fee to host the fight, rather than DiBella working to sell the tickets for a venue that they'd rent from MGM Resorts (similar to what happened with Cotto-Alvarez).

-No idea how the PPV is split in UK is, but we're fairly certain that the split is near 50/50 in the US; 300k homes for Showtime PPV actually ends up being $10m into the pot.

Still, in the end, your final takes seem about right.

Oh I agree with your points, btw that PPV figure I posted is the likely gross. The fighters get half of that, so we're in agreement.

Didn't address the site fee because I don't know the exact figures but I do know some MGM execs personally. It's safe to say they'll pay nicely for the fight.

[IMDAZED]

You're being a tad too simplistic and using examples which aren't comparable. Fighters are paid based on the value they bring to the fight. Wilder brings the WBC belt, a U.S. following, and a danger to Joshua he's never faced. Further, should he fight and beat Fury, he'll have a UK following. That's value to the fight and deserving of 40%. People will be paying to watch Joshua, to watch Joshua fight Wilder, to watch Wilder, and to watch Wilder fight Joshua.

Wilder brings a significant increase in pay for Joshua, hence the difference between him and the bad examples you cited.

[Butch.McRae]

You might be right . I personally don’t think it’s gonna sell big numbers over here . If they do one of them hbo type documentarys on both guys lives it may get going in the states I don’t know .

I will pay for it no doubt but the average fan isn’t gonna stay up late to watch fury stink out the place no matter how much sheet he spouts in the build up

I've taken a look at the historical
UK PPV numbers. I think it's more than reasonable to expect 500k - 700k buys from the UK market.

The US is tougher to predict but with the "All Access" series and pressers in LA and NYC, I expect the fight to pull around 300k in the US. I don't think we should underestimate the HW appeal. A fair amount of people will watch this.

[Straightener]

I've taken a look at the historical
UK PPV numbers. I think it's more than reasonable to expect 500k - 700k buys from the UK market.

The US is tougher to predict but with the "All Access" series and pressers in LA and NYC, I expect the fight to pull around 300k in the US. I don't think we should underestimate the HW appeal. A fair amount of people will watch this.

How do you check ppv figures ? I wouldn’t mind a look at that

I recon You will find most of the ppv’s that sold well in the U.K. (apart from may pac / mcgreghor ) were Uk based fights

It’s hard work staying up till 4.30 to watch a main event

[Butch.McRae]

How do you check ppv figures ? I wouldn’t mind a look at that

I recon You will find most of the ppv’s that sold well in the U.K. (apart from may pac / mcgreghor ) were Uk based fights

It’s hard work staying up till 4.30 to watch a main event

You guys like boxing a lot apparently lol but just Google "pay per view" then click on the Wikipedia page. There's a tab for the history of PPV in the UK. All the data is there for the US and UK. There's also US closes circuit data and UFC figures there (for their major cards). Each figure cited has a reference citation btw.

[Holler]

These dummies with the, "it's more than he ever made!"
Hearn puppets didn't realize that's not how you do business. Your worth is not based on how much you've made, it's how much you can generate for a specific event and these guys spent endless hours arguing just to be proven completely wrong.

There's another part of the puzzle though which is 'how much can I make without you' and that's where the massive imbalance between the two fighters commercial pull is manifested. Wilder or Fury or Miller or Povetkin, any of them make their biggest pay check in a a fight with Joshua. The guy with multiple big revenue generating options is in a stronger negotiating position than the guy with one.

[Straightener]

You guys like boxing a lot apparently lol but just Google "pay per view" then click on the Wikipedia page. There's a tab for the history of PPV in the UK. All the data is there for the US and UK. There's also US closes circuit data and UFC figures there (for their major cards). Each figure cited has a reference citation btw.

Nice !

I’ll check it out

Cheers