Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua, Hearn Degraded Me - $15 Mill & No Percentage!

[KTFOKING]

This is the best and biggest scenario for him, this put him and his resume in the ball park of demands. Pre-Fury i didn't think he deserves what he thought he wanted. Beat Fury and then you have a better leg to stand on with the PPV that you would generate.

What exactly was he wanting though? It was going to be the biggest fight in boxing. And it wasn't going to be the biggest (or second behind GGG/Canelo), just because of Joshua. He certainly deserved a split but it is what it is now. Fair to say if he beats Fury then the Joshua fight will only become bigger and he will walk away with a lot more than $15 million.

[EnglishOxide]

I've taken a look at the historical
UK PPV numbers. I think it's more than reasonable to expect 500k - 700k buys from the UK market.

Are you for real?

Where have you pulled that number from? 800k watched Tyson v Seferi.

Who knows how many watched vs Pianeta? I'm guessing roughly the same considering Framptons following.

You honestly think 500k are going to pay to watch Fury at 5am? No way.

I hate to break it to you, but the masses want action and knockouts. Tyson Fury is renowned for neither. His last 3 fights have been borefests. It's a shame actually because Tysons earlier fights were action packed.

But people aren't ******, the price hasn't been announced yet but nobody is going to pay for this.

Fury was just on Framptons undercard FFS. Where do you think he's getting 500k buys from?!

[Ray*]

What exactly was he wanting though? It was going to be the biggest fight in boxing. And it wasn't going to be the biggest (or second behind GGG/Canelo), just because of Joshua. He certainly deserved a split but it is what it is now. Fair to say if he beats Fury then the Joshua fight will only become bigger and he will walk away with a lot more than $15 million.

He wanted more money. Some thinks he derserve more, i personally don't think he deserves that much. I personally thought the offer made to him was too much.

But thats my opinion, moving forward the whole saga has been brilliant for him career, the whole thing has propel his name. He now has a even bigger and better chance to move that forward, the Fury fight would help him do that.

Winning it and doing well on PPV would make it easier for him to demand what he wanted originally (More money).

[Butch.McRae]

There's another part of the puzzle though which is 'how much can I make without you' and that's where the massive imbalance between the two fighters commercial pull is manifested. Wilder or Fury or Miller or Povetkin, any of them make their biggest pay check in a a fight with Joshua. The guy with multiple big revenue generating options is in a stronger negotiating position than the guy with one.

It's really this simple. We all know that Joshua makes THE big haul with Wilder in a US fight but there's little incentive to take that fight when you can get $15 - $20 million fighting guys who have about a 20% chance to beat you.

Barry Hearn (the guy who actually controls Matchroom) knows this and will make sure that their investment is protected. It's just good business (not good for boxing at all though). Why do you think the old man wrote that open letter? He's no dummy.

I actually think we'll see Matchroom cash in on the Joshua era (probably with a equity sale of a minority interest at a high valuation) before the fight takes place with Wilder. Their revenue has exploded in the last two years. They'll be looking to take advantage of that before the AJ party starts to fizzle.

[Straightener]

Are you for real?

Where have you pulled that number from? 800k watched Tyson v Seferi.

Who knows how many watched vs Pianeta? I'm guessing roughly the same considering Framptons following.

You honestly think 500k are going to pay to watch Fury at 5am? No way.

I hate to break it to you, but the masses want action and knockouts. Tyson Fury is renowned for neither. His last 3 fights have been borefests. It's a shame actually because Tysons earlier fights were action packed.

But people aren't ******, the price hasn't been announced yet but nobody is going to pay for this.

Fury was just on Framptons undercard FFS. Where do you think he's getting 500k buys from?!

Just checked out the ppv figures

Haye Bellew 1 was 890,000 ppv buys and the rematch was 775,000

Those pair must be loaded after that haul . F**k me

[Butch.McRae]

Are you for real?

Where have you pulled that number from? 800k watched Tyson v Seferi.

Who knows how many watched vs Pianeta? I'm guessing roughly the same considering Framptons following.

You honestly think 500k are going to pay to watch Fury at 5am? No way.

I hate to break it to you, but the masses want action and knockouts. Tyson Fury is renowned for neither. His last 3 fights have been borefests. It's a shame actually because Tysons earlier fights were action packed.

But people aren't ******, the price hasn't been announced yet but nobody is going to pay for this.

Fury was just on Framptons undercard FFS. Where do you think he's getting 500k buys from?!

PPV figures for the UK can be found here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view

They wouldn't be putting the fight on PPV in the UK if they didn't think it would make good money. I think expecting 500k buys is about right.

These TV execs aren't dummies. The promoters aren't the only interested parties here.

[Ake-Dawg]

Wilder brings a significant increase in pay for Joshua, hence the difference between him and the bad examples you cited.

What examples did I cite?

[Butch.McRae]

Just checked out the ppv figures

Haye Bellew 1 was 890,000 ppv buys and the rematch was 775,000

Those pair must be loaded after that haul . F**k me

Now you feel me?

Bellew is a ****ing magician lol

Grabbed a quick $10 million and is looking for another $5 million against Usyk. He might be the biggest financial overachiever in boxing history after all of this lol

You brits buy fights. It's a fact of life there lol

[Ake-Dawg]

He wanted more money. Some thinks he derserve more, i personally don't think he deserves that much. I personally thought the offer made to him was too much.

But thats my opinion, moving forward the whole saga has been brilliant for him career, the whole thing has propel his name. He now has a even bigger and better chance to move that forward, the Fury fight would help him do that.

Winning it and doing well on PPV would make it easier for him to demand what he wanted originally (More money).

What is your opinion based on? Is it based on prior purses? We know that's not the way it ultimately works in the boxing business. How did you come to the conclusion that $15M was too much? Based on how much revenue you presumed the fight would bring in? Did that include U.S. revenue? Did it factor in DAZN?

[Pandur]

All that ends if Wilder-Fury does anywhere near 500k PPV homes in the US (@$65/$75, 500k buys puts the US TV take at $16m-$18m; you figure that BT Sport PPV will draw money at 2am in the UK, and Las Vegas will bring out money too. Wilder and Fury could be ending up splitting at least $40m).

Anthony Joshua's biggest pot ever was the ~$43m that he split with Klitschko.

Yes but the key word is IF.
If it does those numbers you say. Then sure Deontay deserves 50-50.
But it ain't that easy to do 500K PPV buys.