Who is Fury Lineal For?

[Scipio2009]

I understand what a lineal title is, in reality it is quite easy to understand.

My point is, Fury has had multiple issues which mean his lineage was discontinued.

And there was never a Klitschko brother lineage lol Wlad was lineal by consensus of journalists, The Ring and fans due to his win over Chagaev.

Right now, there is no point in labeling anyone as lineal, all we know is, one guy holds 3 belts and is ranked as champion by IBF, WBO and WBA, everyone else ranks him as the top heavyweight bar the WBC.

All Fury is doing is fighting for the WBC belt, which has become a paper title in Wilder's hands.

Simply decreeing a lineal champion has never happened by "consensus of journalists"; if that's the entire basis of calling Wladimir Klitschko the lineal champion, then his claim is actual BS.

The last lineal champion was Lennox Lewis, and he retired without losing the title; as is the case with every other instance then, the lineal title will remain vacant until there is a single recognized heavyweight champion.

Hilarious to see you try to call the WBC heavyweight title a paper championship though.

[SinderellaMan]

Nope thats undisputed....

Lineal titles have nothing to do with belts..

That makes sense.
So is the Ring declaring Fury to be lineal? Oscar won’t miss out on extra publicity

[HOUDINI563]

WBC is a paper title as are ALL other boxing commission “belts”. The only true champion is the champion with an historical link to his predecessors. Unfortunately for all of us boxing has become so muddled it’s nearly impossible to determine who the rightful champion is in all divisions. At hwt certainly Lewis via beating Briggs became worlds hwt champion. Once Lewis retired the picture became quite muddy.

[TheBigLug]

Fury is the last "man who beat the man", so he is "lineal champion", for what it's worth. It's not really an official thing.

You can pick up world titles left, right and centre these days without really beating the best, just like AJ, Parker and Wilder did. Fury is the one that beat the top fighter and was considered true no.1. so he is rightly considered "lineal champion".

How much importance you place on that is up to you. Which ever way you look at it, Fury is the only active HW right now that can claim he was the last genuine no.1 in the division for a period of time.

[soul_survivor]

Simply decreeing a lineal champion has never happened by "consensus of journalists"; if that's the entire basis of calling Wladimir Klitschko the lineal champion, then his claim is actual BS.

The last lineal champion was Lennox Lewis, and he retired without losing the title; as is the case with every other instance then, the lineal title will remain vacant until there is a single recognized heavyweight champion.

Hilarious to see you try to call the WBC heavyweight title a paper championship though.

So you're saying Wlad wasn't lineal champion? The reality is everyone viewed him as such after his win over Chagaev. He was also owner of all but one of the belts, which obviously makes sense since he wouldnt fight his own brother. On top of all that, he faced and beat every worthy challenger during his reign.

If Wlad isn't lineal, then Fury clearly isn't. Is that the point you're making?

And in terms of the WBC, yes it is nothing more than a paper belt, because AJ is the recognised champion by every other organisation and has a far superior list of wins. Wilder has made a mockery of that belt.

[W1LL]

People like to claim Fury vacated the title on retiring. But the title is only vacated if a champion retires for good. Fury is back and he beat the man who beat the man. This goes way back, it isn't something that modern day social media casuals can just randomly decide is vacant. Get the fook out of here.

[soul_survivor]

People like to claim Fury vacated the title on retiring. But the title is only vacated if a champion retires for good. Fury is back and he beat the man who beat the man. This goes way back, it isn't something that modern day social media casuals can just randomly decide is vacant. Get the fook out of here.

This is completely incorrect.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

Fury was the man that was the real champ.

Imo you can go a year, possibly a year and a half depending on circumstamces and remain the lineal champ.

However, gets look at what Fury did after beating Wlad.

1: Pulled out of a rematch vs Wlad.
2. Popped on a piss test.
3. Became obese and didn't fight for over 2 years.

He lost his lineal status imo.

[N/A]

So is the Ring declaring Fury to be lineal?

Yes, Ring recognizes Fury as lineal world champion. They just don't recognize him as Ring champion because the Ring title and the lineal world title are two completely different things.

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Wilder is inching closer to another super fight: a bout with lineal champion Tyson Fury in December that would take place in Las Vegas and be broadcast on Showtime Pay-Per-View.

[N/A]

Simply decreeing a lineal champion has never happened by "consensus of journalists"; if that's the entire basis of calling Wladimir Klitschko the lineal champion, then his claim is actual BS.

That's pretty much how it's always worked. The boxing media and public recognizes two fighters are #1 and #2 and they fight to fill the vacancy.

I considered Klitschko's claim suspect because Chagaev was #3, not #2, but the media & public chose to make an exception since the Klitschko brothers were never going to fight each other.

My personal opinion or your personal opinion of who is "lineal" is irrelevant. Lineal is a concept of public recognition. Fury is considered the lineal champion and therefore he is.