Did Wilder's Win Over Ortiz Impress you?

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not being hyperbolic but its better than frazier over ali 1

[KillaCamNZ]

The problem with Wilder-Ortiz is, the win for Wilder loses it's shine the more you look at it.

- Ortiz is listed as 39 years old, although it's reasonably clear he's older than that.

- Ortiz's resume is pretty thin. He was seen as a bit of a boogeyman, and he has won fights in a strong manner, but it's a collection of C level guys. There's no real gauge of how good he is because the only guy he's fought that might be any good, has been criticized endlessly for a (at the time) 39-0 built on...guess what..nobodies. Two guys with creampuff resumes, doesn't suddenly equate to a big win for one of them.

- Ortiz is exactly the kind of fighter who's style Wilder thrives on, and presents very little risk in exposing Wilder's glaringly obvious flaws. Wilder is a big power, sloppy technique, throw bombs in bunches kind of fighter - those guys excel at fighting big, lumbering targets who struggle with movement and evasiveness. And what kind of fighters are Wilder's two best wins (Stiverne and Ortiz)? Big, lumbering targets who struggle with movement and evasiveness. Shock *****ing horror.

[The D3vil]

Joshua gassed out in every one of his 21 fights? No he didn't, not even close. You'd have to be a moron who has never watched him fight to think so.

Not going to answer my question for a second time?

What are you slow?

Obviously, I didn't mean he gassed out of all of his 21 fights, including the ones that were over almost immediately. You know I meant his recent ones.

He gassed against Klit.
He gassed against Parker
He gassed against that African cat.

His stamina is ass.

And he could've called out Ortiz after the fought Klitschko, but he chose to call out a Tyson Fury who hadn't even fought in a year & half at that point.

He got let off the hook after Ortiz failed that drug test, but he was free to call him out any time since he's been back.

Notice, he never ONCE has called him out.

Even Ortiz is noticing this and called HIM out a few weeks ago.

Luis Ortiz has fired massive shots at Anthony Joshua and Eddie Hearn

Profile of Senior Writer Ben Wignall
by Ben Wignall
Senior Writer

The next fight of Great Britain's premier boxer Anthony Joshua was revealed last week, as it was announced the Watford-born fighter would put his belts on the line against Russian challenger Alexander Povetkin.

AJ's WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO titles will all be on-the-line at Wembley Stadium on September 22, the champion returning to the scene of his famous victory over Wladimir Klitschko in April 2017.

Povetkin provides a fresh challenge for Joshua, who last fought on the card where AJ defeated Joseph Parker in Cardiff, there he brutally knocked out Liverpudlian David Price in round three after being wobbled just a few minutes earlier.

Before the WBA ordered Joshua and his Matchroom Boxing team to finalise terms with Povetkin for a mandatory defence, AJ's promoter Eddie Hearn was working on a super-fight with WBC champion Deontay Wilder.

Those protracted negotiations were never finalised, with Hearn explaining that Wilder's team never got back to their offer, forcing them to confirm Povetkin as Joshua's next battle.

Hearn did confirm though that Joshua's following fight would take place in April 2019, leaving a potential unification clash with the 'Bronze Bomber' still on the table.

A fellow heavyweight fighter who was once the next-in-line to face Joshua in 2017 is Luis Ortiz, but that privilege was revoked following a failed drugs test.

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And the 39-year-old has launched a huge verbal attack on Joshua and Hearn, whom he clearly has no respect for.

"I haven’t thought about Joshua since he avoided me a while back, but it’s a fight where you would see me enjoy beating the p*** out of him for several rounds," Ortiz told Premier Boxing Champions.

"I see myself breaking down Joshua to the body and ripping his head off with right hooks and straight left hands over the course of eight rounds.

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"But at least Wilder put his money where his mouth is, stepped up and fought me. I’ve got zero respect for Joshua, who, at this point, is a complete punk hiding behind his puppeteer promoter (Hearn).

Ortiz will step into the ring for the first time since being stopped by Wilder, as he takes on Romanian bruiser Razvan Cojanu on July 28 in Los Angeles.

The Cuban still seemingly feels bitterness after that defeat, in a fight where he took Wilder closer than he's ever been to a professional loss, and believes that the heavyweight division is avoiding him for one reason.

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"I could be 50 and still beat these guys. They ain’t (better than me). If my age is such a big deal, why isn’t Joshua calling me out?" continued Ortiz.

"Why isn’t Wilder giving me an immediate rematch? Why are all of these punks running from me? Obviously, they don’t want to fight and they’re all scared of me."

[Sid-Knee]

What are you slow?

Obviously, I didn't mean he gassed out of all of his 21 fights, including the ones that were over almost immediately. You know I meant his recent ones.

He gassed against Klit.
He gassed against Parker
He gassed against that African cat.

His stamina is ass.

And he could've called out Ortiz after the fought Klitschko, but he chose to call out a Tyson Fury who hadn't even fought in a year & half at that point.

He got let off the hook after Ortiz failed that drug test, but he was free to call him out any time since he's been back.

Notice, he never ONCE has called him out.

Even Ortiz is noticing this and called HIM out a few weeks ago.

Go back and read your post on page 5. You claim Joshua gassed out in every one of his fights. So it's you who seems to be slow. You don't even know what you're writing.

You obviously didn't mean his most recent fights otherwise you would have said so. But you didn't, you said EVERY ONE of his fights.

I'll give you the Wlad fight. But he did get a second wind and come back strong. But the Parker and Takam fights?? He didn't gas in any of those fights at all. If you're going to say that, you may as well say Joshua got knocked out in the first round by both. Makes as much sense as saying he gassed in those fights.

Joshua had to fight his IBF mandatory first otherwise they said they would strip him. Ortiz would have been next if he didn't fail a test and go in Wilder's direction.

Joshua called Fury's name because Fury kept on calling him out. He was just letting Fury know he's ready at any time to get it on. But Joshua also said that he wants the fight when Fury is back to his best.

After Takam, a bigger fight in Parker was there in a unification. So Joshua wasn't going to fight Ortiz then. And now he's got another mandatory in Povetkin, so Joshua can't fight him next either. At no point could an Ortiz fight happen other than waiting for Joshua to sort out his IBF mandatory and get the fight next as he was WBA mandatory. But as I say, he went in Wilder's direction instead and failed a test, so he wouldn't have got the shot at Joshua anyway because the WBA stripped him of his mandatory position.

[The D3vil]

Go back and read your post on page 5. You claim Joshua gassed out in every one of his fights. So it's you who seems to be slow. You don't even know what you're writing.

You obviously didn't mean his most recent fights otherwise you would have said so. But you didn't, you said EVERY ONE of his fights.

I'll give you the Wlad fight. But he did get a second wind and come back strong. But the Parker and Takam fights?? He didn't gas in any of those fights at all. If you're going to say that, you may as well say Joshua got knocked out in the first round by both. Makes as much sense as saying he gassed in those fights.

Joshua had to fight his IBF mandatory first otherwise they said they would strip him. Ortiz would have been next if he didn't fail a test and go in Wilder's direction.

Joshua called Fury's name because Fury kept on calling him out. He was just letting Fury know he's ready at any time to get it on. But Joshua also said that he wants the fight when Fury is back to his best.

After Takam, a bigger fight in Parker was there in a unification. So Joshua wasn't going to fight Ortiz then. And now he's got another mandatory in Povetkin, so Joshua can't fight him next either. At no point could an Ortiz fight happen other than waiting for Joshua to sort out his IBF mandatory and get the fight next as he was WBA mandatory. But as I say, he went in Wilder's direction instead and failed a test, so he wouldn't have got the shot at Joshua anyway because the WBA stripped him of his mandatory position.

I thought it was obvious that he didn't gas against Charles Martin and in his fights where he knocked people out in 1 or 2 rounds. I didn't think I needed to spell it out for you, but I forgot that this is NSB where people are obtuse or pretend to be obtuse for argument's sake.

Even Ortiz himself says that he respects Wilder but doesn't respect Joshua because Joshua won't answer his call.

Luis Ortiz has fired massive shots at Anthony Joshua & Eddie Hearn

[Damn Wicked]

Ortiz was a good win for Wilder. His best yet. Wilder had to fight through adversity. Fat @ss Stiverne let Wilder fight at a slow, controlled pace in their first fight and he did sweet F- All in their second fight, so I think the Ortiz win was much more impressive than those fights.

[VatoMulatto]

Yes, he did. For the first time Wilder had to dig deep and handle adversity, he passed the test. He showed a good chin, heart, and a winners mentality. He came back after almost being stopped, looked dead tired but kept on fighing hard and proved to be a dangerous puncher even when hurt and tired late in the fight.

[DaBeastO]

Nope!!!!!!!

[Boxing Goat]

Very impressed. He was getting out boxed and then roughed up pretty bad and managed to come back and get his man out of there like a champion is supposed to do. Nobody is ever safe from Wilder's power. Not even at the very end of a tough fight. If you get tired in front of him, you're in serious, serious danger.

[Boxing Goat]

The problem with Wilder-Ortiz is, the win for Wilder loses it's shine the more you look at it.

- Ortiz is listed as 39 years old, although it's reasonably clear he's older than that.

- Ortiz's resume is pretty thin. He was seen as a bit of a boogeyman, and he has won fights in a strong manner, but it's a collection of C level guys. There's no real gauge of how good he is because the only guy he's fought that might be any good, has been criticized endlessly for a (at the time) 39-0 built on...guess what..nobodies. Two guys with creampuff resumes, doesn't suddenly equate to a big win for one of them.

- Ortiz is exactly the kind of fighter who's style Wilder thrives on, and presents very little risk in exposing Wilder's glaringly obvious flaws. Wilder is a big power, sloppy technique, throw bombs in bunches kind of fighter - those guys excel at fighting big, lumbering targets who struggle with movement and evasiveness. And what kind of fighters are Wilder's two best wins (Stiverne and Ortiz)? Big, lumbering targets who struggle with movement and evasiveness. Shock *****ing horror.

You're wrong on just about everything you said, culminating with saying Ortiz was taylor made for Wilder. You couldn't be more wrong. Fury is the worst style for Wilder but Ortiz was close to it because he's got a high ring IQ, very good power and has a long reach. Stiverne was an example of a guy who was made for Wilder. Smaller, average power and no real boxing craft. Very poor assessment which I think starts with a little Wilder hate.

So I'm not a big Wilder fan either but I'm curious to know what puts him off for you other than him being from the greatest country in the world?