Comments Thread For: Charles Martin: Joshua Never Saw Me, I'm Getting My Belt Back!

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Floyd is 40 and probably could still school most 147lbers. Ortiz age is a non factor since he turned pro late. He will give AJ a run for his money.

age is a factor in athletic sports. there is a way to stifle the aging process and the breakdown of your athletic prime and that is to use peds...which ortiz did until he fought wilder of course

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Who has Povetkin beat? Neither has beaten anybody in the current top 10. Cojanu went the distance with Parker, but got obliterated by Ortiz. Ortiz knocked out Jennings. When Klitschko went life and death with AJ, Klitschko was very highly rated after the fight. Ortiz going life and death with Wilder, and then destroying Cojanu so quickly, has him rated very high. Ortiz has done more than Povetkin to prove he's close to AJ & Wilder. Povetkin was a 20 to 1 underdog to AJ. I guarantee you Ortiz wouldn't be 20 to 1 underdog against AJ.

Cojanu gets you highly rated now? He’s a terrible fighter...

Povetkin has been towards the top of the division for a looong time and has beaten some decent names when they were considered decent.

Not only that but he was at least a world champ.

I DO think Ortiz is great, but I think Povetkin has PROVEN to be better over a good career. I think Ortiz-Povetkin would be a great fight actually.

In fact, I’d have loved to see Deontay vs Povetkin which ended up not fighting.

Not every fighter deserves their rating, but those who watch and follow know who those are.

Like Charles Martin’s dumbass is still somehow ranked top 10 I believe.


I think takam is top 10 btw and Povetkin beat him.


Look at Big baby for example. He’s top 5 in a few if I recall.


Povetkin has only lost to wlad and has stayed winning and has earned/kept a good rating because of prior history and his post loss results.

He’s beaten some decent names who at the time had higher ratings.

How many top ten guys has Ortiz beat ever? Has he ever? Jennings would HAVE to be his only one and even he was coming off a loss.

I’m a massive Ortiz fan but to even compare resumes so far is ridiculous.

That’s not to call into question his quality, dont get me wrong..but if we’re just going by resume?

If you could only follow a paper trail to compare the two, it’d be insanely one sided.

Comparing Wlad to Ortiz is ridiculous tbh. Wlad was rated high by defaulf because he was the legitimate king of a division for near a decade and lost to a fellow champ in AJ. Outside of AJ and maybe Wilder...it’d be an injustice to rate Wlad anything worse than top 10 because no one else would beat him.

Loma, GGG, Bud, etc could lose their next fight to a great fighter and probably not even fall out of the top ten p4p, much less rankings.

You dont just falll off the face of the planet when youre a top level boxer.

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age is a factor in athletic sports. there is a way to stifle the aging process and the breakdown of your athletic prime and that is to use peds...which ortiz did until he fought wilder of course

You still didn't disprove my point with Floyd. Nor did you with Ortiz . AJ is currently fighting a former drug user, Go ahead and make a excuse .

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Stiverne definitely wasn't trash the first time. He was #2 in the world. You're rewriting history. The second time was a mandatory. Wilder had no choice. But paid a huge step aside to get King Kong in the ring before the Stiverne rematch. Not Wilder's fault King Kong failed the test.




AJ had no problem fighting Wilder's left overs when he fought Molina. Ortiz is under 40 years old, not over 40 years old. How are we supposed to take your posts seriously when you blatantly lie?

Luis Ortiz is #4 in the world right now. Higher than Povetkin.




What top 5 heavyweight did Povetkin beat to earn his shot? Povetkin hasn't even faced anybody in the current top 10. AJ and Wilder are head and shoulders above everybody else seeing as how AJ has a win over the current #3 and Wilder has a win over the current #4.

Just because you can probably pluck some ranking system that had Stiverne ranked number 2 does not mean he was actually the second best heavyweight. Anyone with a brain knows he is about the same level as Charles Martin and has done and shown absolutely nothing to have even been ranked top 5 let alone 2!

Povetkin is an Olympic gold medallist with real pedigree and is better than Ortiz, he has certainly looked more impressive in his career.

The same Wilder fans making excuses for Wilder ducking Whyte by saying Whyte needed to earn a shot by beating a top guy are excusing Ortiz? Absolute hypocrites. Whyte beats Parker and still he ducks him.


Ortiz should fight Parker to earn a shot, or hell even if he beat Chisora it would be his best win but judging by what he did to Takam I say Del boy sparks Ortiz out!

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Just because you can probably pluck some ranking system that had Stiverne ranked number 2 does not mean he was actually the second best heavyweight.

I'm not plucking "some ranking system." All the top independent world rankings had Stiverne #2 or #3. He was a consensus top 3 heavyweight in the world at the time.

Anyone with a brain knows he is about the same level as Charles Martin

That's a lie and a rewriting of history. All of the world's top experts had Stiverne #2 or #3. Charles Martin was #9 or #10 according to most experts. Martin wasn't considered an elite heavyweight. Stiverne was. AJ over paid to cherry pick a weak champion. Wilder worked himself up to mandatory and faced one of the top heavyweights in the world. Big difference.

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Cojanu gets you highly rated now? He’s a terrible fighter...

Then why do AJ fans hold Parker in such high regard? According to you, Parker struggled with a terrible fighter. Ortiz obliterated him. So surely you could understand the argument for Ortiz being considered more dangerous than Parker?

Povetkin has been towards the top of the division for a looong time and has beaten some decent names when they were considered decent.

Good for Povetkin. The point is simply that Ortiz is more highly regarded. Doesn't mean Povetkin isn't also a world class heavyweight.

Not only that but he was at least a world champ.

He was never the WBA's top world champion. He was a lower tier WBA champion, as was Ortiz. Is there any doubt Ortiz would beat Charr right now? We should rank Povetkin over Ortiz because Povetkin used to be regular world champion while Ortiz was only interim world champion? Kind of a weak argument.

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Just because you can probably pluck some ranking system that had Stiverne ranked number 2 does not mean he was actually the second best heavyweight. Anyone with a brain knows he is about the same level as Charles Martin and has done and shown absolutely nothing to have even been ranked top 5 let alone 2!

Povetkin is an Olympic gold medallist with real pedigree and is better than Ortiz, he has certainly looked more impressive in his career.

The same Wilder fans making excuses for Wilder ducking Whyte by saying Whyte needed to earn a shot by beating a top guy are excusing Ortiz? Absolute hypocrites. Whyte beats Parker and still he ducks him.


Ortiz should fight Parker to earn a shot, or hell even if he beat Chisora it would be his best win but judging by what he did to Takam I say Del boy sparks Ortiz out!

In general I agree with you but you went a bit far saying Chisora sparks Ortiz, can't see him landing that lucky punch on King Kong.

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Then why do AJ fans hold Parker in such high regard? According to you, Parker struggled with a terrible fighter. Ortiz obliterated him. So surely you could understand the argument for Ortiz being considered more dangerous than Parker?




Good for Povetkin. The point is simply that Ortiz is more highly regarded. Doesn't mean Povetkin isn't also a world class heavyweight.




He was never the WBA's top world champion. He was a lower tier WBA champion, as was Ortiz. Is there any doubt Ortiz would beat Charr right now? We should rank Povetkin over Ortiz because Povetkin used to be regular world champion while Ortiz was only interim world champion? Kind of a weak argument.

So tell me who had Stiverne beat to be justified as the second best heavyweight in the world at that time?

This game is about opinions and I guess we are polar opposites in how we see things. Time will tell who is right if Wilder or Ortiz ever face AJ Parker or Whyte.

[BigGent]

Lmaoooo The God among men returns. All roads at heavyweight lead to Martin

[NearHypnos]

Then why do AJ fans hold Parker in such high regard? According to you, Parker struggled with a terrible fighter. Ortiz obliterated him. So surely you could understand the argument for Ortiz being considered more dangerous than Parker?




Good for Povetkin. The point is simply that Ortiz is more highly regarded. Doesn't mean Povetkin isn't also a world class heavyweight.




He was never the WBA's top world champion. He was a lower tier WBA champion, as was Ortiz. Is there any doubt Ortiz would beat Charr right now? We should rank Povetkin over Ortiz because Povetkin used to be regular world champion while Ortiz was only interim world champion? Kind of a weak argument.

Triangle theory in boxing? You know better.


What’s next? Wlad KOd Wilder in sparring and AJ beat Wlad therefore he’s better?

Torrecampo better than Floyd because he sparked Pac and Floyd didnt?

JMM better than Floyd because he sparked Pac and Floyd didn’t?

Parker better than Wlad because of result? But Wlad dropped AJ...parker didn’t... how’s your math work?

Remember how Pac was supposed to brutalize Floyd because he beat people quicker despite them being older?

Do you even realize what youre saying?



And being an interem and regular champion is the difference between being in the history books and not. Vast difference.


People rate Ortiz higher than Povetkin?

Since when? Legitimate question. After which win did people go “oh wow. Luis ortiz is rated higher than Povetkin now and has been a better fighter than him forever.”