Comments Thread For: Charles Martin: Joshua Never Saw Me, I'm Getting My Belt Back!

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So tell me who had Stiverne beat to be justified as the second best heavyweight in the world at that time?

I don't have to justify anything. I don't argue opinions. I never said where I had him ranked. The world's leading experts, in unison, considered him one of the very best in the world. AJ fans want to rewrite history and pretend he was a lightly regarded, poorly ranked fighter.

Time will tell who is right if Wilder or Ortiz ever face AJ Parker or Whyte.

Hearn pulled Whyte out of an Ortiz fight to face Parker instead, because he knew Parker was the much safer fight. The Ortiz fight was a final eliminator, guaranteeing Whyte a shot at Wilder. The Parker fight had absolutely nothing at stake. If Hearn considered Parker the more dangerous fight, there's no way he would have pulled Whyte out of the Ortiz final eliminator.

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Triangle theory in boxing? You know better.

Comparing similar competition to determine who is more dangerous isn't triangle theory. Wilder beat Ortiz. Ortiz beat Jennings. That doesn't automatically mean Wilder beats Jennings. But when analyzing who is more dangerous, Ortiz or Parker, the fact that Ortiz completely obliterated someone who just went the distance with Parker would support the position that Ortiz is more dangerous.

[5000boxing]

Yeah long time bro. I hope you are staying out those casino bro it will ruin you trust me. I had a relapse a month ago and went there with a chick I just met a sexy mare. After about 30minutes of being in that Casino every time she opened her mouth telling me to stop that I’m out of control I was looking at her like she was Frank Bruno. After an hour 7k down. You know how bourgeoisie Casinos bad I’m a bad loser and I become vocal and start insulting everyone around me.

When I didn’t hear from you I feared the worse✌🏿

True.. nah I've been working on a new project of mine.. a dope animation.. lots of writing and drawing my g.. but I pop in boxing convos every now and again.. make take a bet or two from the suckers at the barbershop.. won a little from the garcia vs easter.. whyte vs parker.. but lost a little on takam vs chinsora.. and what rd fury would ko seferi.. I just rd 2 stoppage lol.

[Noelanthony]

True.. nah I've been working on a new project of mine.. a dope animation.. lots of writing and drawing my g.. but I pop in boxing convos every now and again.. make take a bet or two from the suckers at the barbershop.. won a little from the garcia vs easter.. whyte vs parker.. but lost a little on takam vs chinsora.. and what rd fury would ko seferi.. I just rd 2 stoppage lol.

Lololololol me too I thought Takam would sleep him

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Comparing similar competition to determine who is more dangerous isn't triangle theory. Wilder beat Ortiz. Ortiz beat Jennings. That doesn't automatically mean Wilder beats Jennings. But when analyzing who is more dangerous, Ortiz or Parker, the fact that Ortiz completely obliterated someone who just went the distance with Parker would support the position that Ortiz is more dangerous.

So using your theory, what do you have to say about Ortiz going 12 rounds with Malik Scott?

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I don't have to justify anything. I don't argue opinions. I never said where I had him ranked. The world's leading experts, in unison, considered him one of the very best in the world. AJ fans want to rewrite history and pretend he was a lightly regarded, poorly ranked fighter.




Hearn pulled Whyte out of an Ortiz fight to face Parker instead, because he knew Parker was the much safer fight. The Ortiz fight was a final eliminator, guaranteeing Whyte a shot at Wilder. The Parker fight had absolutely nothing at stake. If Hearn considered Parker the more dangerous fight, there's no way he would have pulled Whyte out of the Ortiz final eliminator.

In other words you can't justify it and realise it is absurd because he beat literally nobody decent.

Ortiz is a much lesser name than Parker in the UK and brings a lot less money to the table that is why they chose that fight.

Hearn signed Ortiz to market and build him up to a UK audience for a potential showdown with AJ. However in two big live UK televised fights he stunk the place out and looked awful which killed any AJ fight. One was a 12 rounder with Malik Scott and the other a laboured win over journeyman Dave Allen.

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In other words you can't justify it and realise it is absurd because he beat literally nobody decent.

In other words, it's not worth justifying it because you'll just say it's my opinion. So we should default to the opinions of the world's leading experts. That way we're not arguing my opinion or your opinion. We're arguing facts. The fact is that the world's leading experts all consider Ortiz one of the very best in the world. If you believe you know better than all of the world's leading experts, congratulations.

AJ is a 20 to 1 favorite to beat Povetkin. AJ is a 2 to 1 favorite to beat Wilder. I guarantee you the odds against Ortiz would be much closer to Wilder than Povetkin. Ortiz is clearly a more dangerous fight than Povetkin.

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So using your theory, what do you have to say about Ortiz going 12 rounds with Malik Scott?

Shows what we already know, Wilder is more dangerous than Ortiz, evidenced by the fact that Wilder knocked him down repeatedly and knocked him out.

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Shows what we already know, Wilder is more dangerous than Ortiz, evidenced by the fact that Wilder knocked him down repeatedly and knocked him out.

And that Chisora is more dangerous than Ortiz. This is using your exact same logic so you can't possibly deny this unless you have bias.

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This guy doesn't deserve a mention, let alone a whole article written about him. It's not that he lost, but the way he lost...waiting until the count of ten and then feebly getting up to his feet with a look of, "whaaat? what gives..."...eckhhh