Comments Thread For: Charles Martin: Joshua Never Saw Me, I'm Getting My Belt Back!

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And that Chisora is more dangerous than Ortiz. This is using your exact same logic so you can't possibly deny this unless you have bias.

The problem you're having is that your brain can't compute the concept of something being a factor without being the only factor. You say we should ignore all information, instead of considering it along with other information.

Ortiz would clearly be favored against Chisora.

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I don't have to justify anything. I don't argue opinions. I never said where I had him ranked. The world's leading experts, in unison, considered him one of the very best in the world. AJ fans want to rewrite history and pretend he was a lightly regarded, poorly ranked fighter.




Hearn pulled Whyte out of an Ortiz fight to face Parker instead, because he knew Parker was the much safer fight. The Ortiz fight was a final eliminator, guaranteeing Whyte a shot at Wilder. The Parker fight had absolutely nothing at stake. If Hearn considered Parker the more dangerous fight, there's no way he would have pulled Whyte out of the Ortiz final eliminator.

stop saying trash. Hearn has every reason to pull out from that fight as pbc organizations refuse to guarantee wilder as next after defeating Ortiz.
Whyte do not have 2 yrs plus to be waiting for one sanctioning body for mandatory.
Pretend like you don't know for all I care.

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Comparing similar competition to determine who is more dangerous isn't triangle theory. Wilder beat Ortiz. Ortiz beat Jennings. That doesn't automatically mean Wilder beats Jennings. But when analyzing who is more dangerous, Ortiz or Parker, the fact that Ortiz completely obliterated someone who just went the distance with Parker would support the position that Ortiz is more dangerous.

it doesn't always work that way fella.

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nah, you never saw his right hand

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The problem you're having is that your brain can't compute the concept of something being a factor without being the only factor. You say we should ignore all information, instead of considering it along with other information.

Ortiz would clearly be favored against Chisora.

But you are doing exactly that yourself! Saying as Stiverne was ranked 2 by boxing experts and refusing to look at other factors e.g. he is clearly trash and beat nobody to be ranked that high.

You are using that same logic and not looking at other factors yourself, e.g. using triangular theory but only when it suits your argument. I am convinced you are insane, you trip yourself up all the time. You change your stance all the time to suit your argument.

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Saying as Stiverne was ranked 2 by boxing experts and refusing to look at other factors e.g. he is clearly trash and beat nobody to be ranked that high.

Bermane Stiverne faced undefeated 20-0 Kertson Manswell for the WBC International heavyweight title, the WBC United States heavyweight title and the WBA Fedelatin heavyweight title. Stiverne won by knockout in the 2nd round.

Stiverne then faced 28-5 Ray Austin in a WBC heavyweight title eliminator and won by knockout to become WBC Silver heavyweight champion.

He defended his WBC Silver heavyweight title against 34-2 Chris Arreola and won a lopsided decision.

He then fought a rematch against 35-3 Arreola for the WBC World heavyweight title and won by knockout.

This gained Stiverne universal recognition as the #2 or #3 heavyweight in the world. Nobody considered him trash. History has been rewritten by AJ fans to minimize Wilder's title win, even though Stiverne was universally held in much higher esteem than Charles Martin was when AJ won his title.

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Bermane Stiverne faced undefeated 20-0 Kertson Manswell for the WBC International heavyweight title, the WBC United States heavyweight title and the WBA Fedelatin heavyweight title. Stiverne won by knockout in the 2nd round.

Stiverne then faced 28-5 Ray Austin in a WBC heavyweight title eliminator and won by knockout to become WBC Silver heavyweight champion.

He defended his WBC Silver heavyweight title against 34-2 Chris Arreola and won a lopsided decision.

He then fought a rematch against 35-3 Arreola for the WBC World heavyweight title and won by knockout.

This gained Stiverne universal recognition as the #2 or #3 heavyweight in the world. Nobody considered him trash. History has been rewritten by AJ fans to minimize Wilder's title win, even though Stiverne was universally held in much higher esteem than Charles Martin was when AJ won his title.

None of those wins are impressive, I'm sorry they just aren't. The guy who Fury is fighting next has a decent looking record of 35-4 but he is useless. It's the quality of the fighter and not how pumped up their record is by fighting cans that counts.

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None of those wins are impressive, I'm sorry they just aren't.

Thank you for your opinion. In the opinion of the world's most respected experts, he was deserving of a top 3 ranking.