Who is greatest boxer of all time stat wise?

[Rock&Roll]

I am really missing the point as Frazier isnt even close to being in the discussion

Exactly. Frazier isn't even in the discussion, even though he was 1 round away from beating the greatest hw twice. That would have to make him one of the best hw, or at least Ali not so much the greatest.

[boliodogs]

Most successful title defenses in a row. Joe Louis 25 at heavyweight. Cruiserweight Johnny Nelson 14. Light heavyweight Michalczewski 23. 168 Calzaghe and Ottki 21 each. 160 Hopkins 20. 154 Gianfranco Rosi 11. Welterweight Henry Armstrong 19. Far more than Mayweather. 140 Julio Chavez 11. 135 Artur Grigorian 17. 130 Tod Morgan 12. 126 Eusebio Pedroza 19. 122 Wilfredo Gomez 17. 118 Canizalez 16. 105 Ricardo Lopez 21.

[Rockin']

In conclusion:
F-ck your facts and figures and bullsh't stats. The real heads know whats up.

.....Rockin'

[Rock&Roll]

And what he said doesn't really mean anything because it was all "if" this and that happened, what happened outside of the ring means nothing when we're talking about just the sport.

What stats do tell us is that the fight didn't get to the 15th and Ali has the win.

"**** your facts and stats"

Ye **** what really happened because you're not a fan of Ali, don't understand people who have this tunnel vision and are incapable of seeing anything other than what they think is right.

How ironic that you call me tunnel vision, when that's exactly the crap your typing.
Tunnel vision is jumping straight to the conclusion i dislike i fighter because i don't kiss their arse every statement i make about them. I have a huge framed picture of Ali in my gym, not Frazier FYI.

The stats tell us Ali won and is possibly the greatest ever. The stats DON'T tell us that Ali was a bee's **** away from losing and being just a very good heavyweight.

Stats tell us that a fighter with a 30-0 record LOOKS like a great undefeated fighter.

Anyway, look up the Dunning-Kruger effect, as i think you suffer from it.

[Rockin']

Do you think Robinson went in to those 19 fights to win or lose? Losses should not be dismissed so easily. The intent is to win every match

In my opinion Robinson was just fighting for his basic survival. He was not truly prepared for most of his last fights. Just missing the adrenaline of the ring and the few hundred it can put in your pocket can be tempting when your out of cash. In my experience if you are not properly prepared and your lined with a nothin' burger than you just eat the ****. But if you get lined with a guy who can fight, and you arrive ill prepared for war than it could get ugly in a few rounds, once your gas tank is dry. Robinson was a man of class, in and out of the ring. He was just trying to survive financially at the end. Still, you just gotta love Ray Robinson...…..Rockin'

[Nay_Sayer]

Joe Louis 25 defenses of the *legit* HW title

Archie Moore *132* KO wins

Henry Armstrong holding the featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titles *all at the same time*...

[Shape up]

Young dudes like you believe bs...
sugar ray Robinson...

F you and your numbers..

SRR...without a doubt...

We dont agree that often but im 100% with you on this one, if floyd fought 180 odd fights, up to 22 times in one year with the training ideas of that era, the poor diets they thought worked, well im sure floyd wouldnt cope at all

[Rockin']

Most successful title defenses in a row. Joe Louis 25 at heavyweight. Cruiserweight Johnny Nelson 14. Light heavyweight Michalczewski 23. 168 Calzaghe and Ottki 21 each. 160 Hopkins 20. 154 Gianfranco Rosi 11. Welterweight Henry Armstrong 19. Far more than Mayweather. 140 Julio Chavez 11. 135 Artur Grigorian 17. 130 Tod Morgan 12. 126 Eusebio Pedroza 19. 122 Wilfredo Gomez 17. 118 Canizalez 16. 105 Ricardo Lopez 21.

I actually fought on a card with Pedroza. He came up to Galaxy, just to loosen up good/throw his arms around a bit, before the fight but I was training and could just admire from a far.

[Vae Victis]

Having 19 loses is not really so bad if you've had over 200 fights. He had 174 wins/108 knockouts...nobody's stats come close. His style was the prototype for Mohamed Ali who idolized him. He is the all-time greatest in my books.

Just for the record, Archie Moore had 219 fights, 186 wins, 132 KOs, 23 losses with 7 by KO, and 10 draws in a 27.5 year career. So let's not forget the Old Mongoose.
And Willie Pep was 229 wins, 11 losses, and 1 draw. So we can't forget him either.

[Lomadeaux]

Manny Pacquiao, no debate in terms of achivements.

8 Division Champion

Named 2000's Fighter of the Decade

3-Time 'Fighter of the Year' by Ring Magazine and BWAA

Front cover of Time Magazine's 'Most Influential People' List in 2009

Active boxer while being a congressman, then later a senator

Only boxer in history to win 12 major world titles

Only boxer to win 5 Lineal Championships (flyweight, featherweight, super featherweight, light welterweight, and welterweight.)

Pacquiao is also the first boxer in history to win a major world title in Four (4) of the original Eight (8) weight divisions of boxing, also known as the "Glamour Divisions": flyweight, featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight.

His achievements are great.

But....

The WBOgus isn’t a real belt.