Comments Thread For: Mayweather: For Garcia - Better Shot To Beat Loma Than Spence!

[The Big Dunn]

Yes, turned down Linares x2, Gamboa, Cotto for various reasons, didn't fight Uchiyama when he was #1 at 130 and seemingly shows no desire to fight Loma or Bud. He will get a TON of respect if he fights Spence though. I don't think he will though.

He'll never fight Bud. There's the TR beef and also he's been vocal about Crawford's style before. He knows he'd either get crushed or completely shut out there.

All I ask is that you understand why I and others come at you for posts like this.

You point out all the people Mikey didn't fight, even though in those cases the promoter tried to get options on Mikey (which is understandable) after he just sued to get out from under a promoter. With Loma you have yet to criticize him for guys he didn't fight before moving up in weight classes.

You give one guy every benefit of the doubt and hold the other to an impossible standard. When fights don't happen you give Mikey all the blame and never blame Loma.

Come on dude, hold Mikey and Loma to equal standards even though you love Loma and don't really like mikey.

[chrisJS]

All I ask is that you understand why I and others come at you for posts like this.

You point out all the people Mikey didn't fight, even though in those cases the promoter tried to get options on Mikey (which is understandable) after he just sued to get out from under a promoter. With Loma you have yet to criticize him for guys he didn't fight before moving up in weight classes.

You give one guy every benefit of the doubt and hold the other to an impossible standard. When fights don't happen you give Mikey all the blame and never blame Loma.

Come on dude, hold Mikey and Loma to equal standards even though you love Loma and don't really like mikey.

Difference is Mikey asked for those fights and was offered them and turned them down. I said for "various" reasons. Gamboa, sure that came with an extension but Linares didn't and it came with the same purse that was reported for Mikey's fights with Easter and Lipinets. Cotto also came with three great guaranteed fights - the Linares fight (he claimed to want), a Mattheyse fight and the Cotto fight (he claimed to want).

I actually used to like Mikey a lot. I followed him since early in his career but just lost interest. At least with Loma he went from trying to fight champs at 130, offering Tank a fight that was rejected and then right to the #1 guy at 135 in a fight everyone wanted and was happy with. Loma has yet to have turned down a fight. Mikey has had the last say more than once and eventually if that happens enough you start to think he may be to blame somewhat.

[4truth]

A better chance to beat a guy who weighs about 140 as opposed to a guy fighting north of 160? I wonder what his reasoning is.

[The Big Dunn]

Difference is Mikey asked for those fights and was offered them and turned them down. I said for "various" reasons. Gamboa, sure that came with an extension but Linares didn't and it came with the same purse that was reported for Mikey's fights with Easter and Lipinets. Cotto also came with three great guaranteed fights - the Linares fight (he claimed to want), a Mattheyse fight and the Cotto fight (he claimed to want).

I actually used to like Mikey a lot. I followed him since early in his career but just lost interest. At least with Loma he went from trying to fight champs at 130, offering Tank a fight that was rejected and then right to the #1 guy at 135 in a fight everyone wanted and was happy with. Loma has yet to have turned down a fight. Mikey has had the last say more than once and eventually if that happens enough you start to think he may be to blame somewhat.

The initial Linares offer did come with options.

This is all I ask, that you point out why the offer was turned down. You are finding fault with Mikey for wanting control over his career. That is insane.

You criticized Mikey for not fighting Uchiyama, then you should criticize Loma for not fighting Berchelt when he left 130 and any other guy he didn't fight before moving up, just as you have Mikey.

I don't recall an actual offer to Tank, I just recall Floyd saying what he did.

Same with Mikey-he went to fight Lipinets in a fight everyone was happy with. If you can give

HUH? Loma is on record as saying no to Manny at 140 and that the fight has to be at 135.

You give Loma every benefit of the doubt. I don't see how you get so upset when other posters give other guys the same benefit of the doubt you have.

[chrisJS]

The initial Linares offer did come with options.

This is all I ask, that you point out why the offer was turned down. You are finding fault with Mikey for wanting control over his career. That is insane.

You criticized Mikey for not fighting Uchiyama, then you should criticize Loma for not fighting Berchelt when he left 130 and any other guy he didn't fight before moving up, just as you have Mikey.

I don't recall an actual offer to Tank, I just recall Floyd saying what he did.

Same with Mikey-he went to fight Lipinets in a fight everyone was happy with. If you can give

HUH? Loma is on record as saying no to Manny at 140 and that the fight has to be at 135.

You give Loma every benefit of the doubt. I don't see how you get so upset when other posters give other guys the same benefit of the doubt you have.

Loma hasn't been asking for the Pacquaio fight or saying that's the fight he wants. That's what Arum has speculated about and Loma is two full divisions away from Pacquaio. That's VERY differe.t

I don't think everyone was happy with the Lipinets fight. I think most were disappointed that he turned down Linares and went for Lipinets.

When Mikey got to 130, Uchiyama was #1 in the division and when Loma got to 130, Martinez was #1 in the division. Berchelt then got his title AFTER Loma and then had a mandatory lined up, got injured, took a tune-up, got injured again etc; he still hasn't fulfilled his mandatory. Loma went for the #1 at 135 (who Mikey also rejected without options) and KO'd him. He gets respect for that.

[The Big Dunn]

Loma hasn't been asking for the Pacquaio fight or saying that's the fight he wants. That's what Arum has speculated about and Loma is two full divisions away from Pacquaio. That's VERY differe.t

I don't think everyone was happy with the Lipinets fight. I think most were disappointed that he turned down Linares and went for Lipinets.

When Mikey got to 130, Uchiyama was #1 in the division and when Loma got to 130, Martinez was #1 in the division. Berchelt then got his title AFTER Loma and then had a mandatory lined up, got injured, took a tune-up, got injured again etc; he still hasn't fulfilled his mandatory. Loma went for the #1 at 135 (who Mikey also rejected without options) and KO'd him. He gets respect for that.

Mikey went up in weight and fought a top guy, anyone that wasn't happy with that obviously had an agenda.

See what I mean-when it's Loma you list all the facts and explain/justify a fight not happening. when its Mikey you list none of the facts and find fault with the move no matter what.

Mikey went to 140 where Loma has said he wont go. Yet you don't respect that.

I just don't get why you engage in the behavior you criticize and do the same thing to other fighters you hate being done to Loma.

[deanrw]

Style wise, Spence is the more winnable fight. Size wise, Mikey is still going to lose to Spence.

[chrisJS]

Mikey went up in weight and fought a top guy, anyone that wasn't happy with that obviously had an agenda.

See what I mean-when it's Loma you list all the facts and explain/justify a fight not happening. when its Mikey you list none of the facts and find fault with the move no matter what.

Mikey went to 140 where Loma has said he wont go. Yet you don't respect that.

I just don't get why you engage in the behavior you criticize and do the same thing to other fighters you hate being done to Loma.

Loma has had one fight at 135 and has less than 15 pro fights and was at 126 6 fights (2 years) ago. He hasn’t said he won’t go to 140. You’ve deliberately worded that like he’s ducking due to an agenda. He has said he’ll be at 135 for a minute but said in the future he may/probably will feature at 140.

[Boxing Logic]

Is "he can't take it in the body" the new racist codeword in the LDBC? Seems like every good European boxer is secretly a hypejob waiting to get exposed because "he can't take it in the body." GGG who at 36 years old has never been dropped or even visibly hurt by a body shot, and who just took body shots from two bigger guys Jacobs and Canelo, one of them on PEDs and one of them missing the IBF weigh-in, supposedly "can't take it in the body." Lomachenko who took an 11 pound bigger Salido's body shots and nut shots for 12 rounds, in his 2nd pro fight, but never got dropped and was actually the stronger guy down the stretch, "can't take it to the body."

The only one with some truth to it is Kovalev, and yet he's never been dropped to the body either, his "loss" to Ward in the rematch was on nut shots not body shots (still didn't drop him either), and his real issue has been stamina ever since the Chilemba fight - Chilemba is not a big body puncher - nothing to do with body shot weakness, just bad stamina in general.

But, hopefully Floyd believes this so that Tank can stop ducking Loma.

[The Big Dunn]

Loma has had one fight at 135 and has less than 15 pro fights and was at 126 6 fights (2 years) ago. He hasn’t said he won’t go to 140. You’ve deliberately worded that like he’s ducking due to an agenda. He has said he’ll be at 135 for a minute but said in the future he may/probably will feature at 140.

No agenda, just to prove a point. I did the stuff you do and you reacted. Hopefully, now you completely understand the point I've been making.

So how about going forward you stop that.