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  • I am floored at how larry is taking this
    Good for that unknown fighter

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    • Originally posted by F!x View Post
      Sad but true. You can make the sentence "Money May ain't nothin" out of the letters in Menayothin's name.

      Menayothin - Money
      Menayothin - May
      Menayothin - aint
      Menayothin - nothin

      Not that i agree with that but just sayin.. lol
      This has got to be the most creative post ever on here green k

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      • Originally posted by larryxxx.. View Post
        would that not make Floyds win better since he was far past prime and still dominated a 23 year old??If Benitez was prime at 21 how can Canelo not be prime at 23?
        No Floyd wasn’t “far past his prime” as you said when he fought Canelo. And I never said Floyd was “far past his prime” in any post. I said the fighters Floyd fought were past their primes like Oscar, Manny, and Mosley. But everyone knows Floyd is a supremely conditioned athlete. Nazem Richardson said that’s Floyd’s gift, his dedication and conditioning and ring IQ.

        But that Alvarez that Floyd fought wasn’t the more experienced one we saw that beat Cotto, that dominated Khan, and fought to a draw with GGG where some people thought he won. Two different versions & two different boxers

        And Benitez and Hearns at 21 & 22 were just as experienced as Leonard when they fought and close to his age. To me, that makes Leonard’s wins better because they were more equally matched. There was no wide age disparity like 23 to 36 respectively for Alvarez & Floyd. And Floyd’s win isn’t better just because he beat a younger fighter than himself. Floyd’s win would have been greater if he fought a fighter more equal to him considering all the tangibles. I will take experience from a high IQ and conditioned athlete in the ring over inexperience anyday. The best Wins Alvarez had before fighting Floyd was against a 40 year old Mosley, Austin Trout, and Baldomir? Floyd had these wins before fighting Alvarez....Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, & Guerrero.

        Who you think was more experienced Floyd or Canelo? Floyd’s wins can’t be better than Leonard’s or Ali’s or Robinson’s because their wins were against fighters in their primes who were more equally matched to them when they fought. Floyd has names on his resume, no question. But the playing field wasn’t always level when he fought them. Floyd has the “undefeated record,” 50-0, doesn’t mean he was better than Leonard or Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson. The strawweight guy going for 51-0 is irrelevant to me unless he retires undefeated than he has Floyd’s “record”-LOL!!!
        Last edited by markther; 08-07-2018, 07:57 PM.

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        • his opponent will better than gayweather jrs joke of an opponent. war menayothin!

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          • Originally posted by markther View Post
            No Floyd wasn’t “far past his prime” as you said when he fought Canelo. And I never said Floyd was “far past his prime” in any post. I said the fighters Floyd fought were past their primes like Oscar, Manny, and Mosley. But everyone knows Floyd is a supremely conditioned athlete. Nazem Richardson said that’s Floyd’s gift, his dedication and conditioning and ring IQ.

            But that Alvarez that Floyd fought wasn’t the more experienced one we saw that beat Cotto, that dominated Khan, and fought to a draw with GGG where some people thought he won. Two different versions & two different boxers

            And Benitez and Hearns at 21 & 22 were just as experienced as Leonard when they fought and close to his age. To me, that makes Leonard’s wins better because they were more equally matched. There was no wide age disparity like 23 to 36 respectively for Alvarez & Floyd. And Floyd’s win isn’t better just because he beat a younger fighter than himself. Floyd’s win would have been greater if he fought a fighter more equal to him considering all the tangibles. I will take experience from a high IQ and conditioned athlete in the ring over inexperience anyday. The best Wins Alvarez had before fighting Floyd was against a 40 year old Mosley, Austin Trout, and Baldomir? Floyd had these wins before fighting Alvarez....Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, & Guerrero.

            Who you think was more experienced Floyd or Canelo? Floyd’s wins can’t be better than Leonard’s or Ali’s or Robinson’s because their wins were against fighters in their primes who were more equally matched to them when they fought. Floyd has names on his resume, no question. But the playing field wasn’t always level when he fought them. Floyd has the “undefeated record,” 50-0, doesn’t mean he was better than Leonard or Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson. The strawweight guy going for 51-0 is irrelevant to me unless he retires undefeated than he has Floyd’s “record”-LOL!!!
            Well Floyd was older than the past prime dela Hoya and the same age as the past prime mosley when he fought Canelo. In fact, at that age Leonard was getting his ass kicked by guys like Terry Norris

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            • Originally posted by markther View Post
              No Floyd wasn’t “far past his prime” as you said when he fought Canelo. And I never said Floyd was “far past his prime” in any post. I said the fighters Floyd fought were past their primes like Oscar, Manny, and Mosley. But everyone knows Floyd is a supremely conditioned athlete. Nazem Richardson said that’s Floyd’s gift, his dedication and conditioning and ring IQ.

              But that Alvarez that Floyd fought wasn’t the more experienced one we saw that beat Cotto, that dominated Khan, and fought to a draw with GGG where some people thought he won. Two different versions & two different boxers

              And Benitez and Hearns at 21 & 22 were just as experienced as Leonard when they fought and close to his age. To me, that makes Leonard’s wins better because they were more equally matched. There was no wide age disparity like 23 to 36 respectively for Alvarez & Floyd. And Floyd’s win isn’t better just because he beat a younger fighter than himself. Floyd’s win would have been greater if he fought a fighter more equal to him considering all the tangibles. I will take experience from a high IQ and conditioned athlete in the ring over inexperience anyday. The best Wins Alvarez had before fighting Floyd was against a 40 year old Mosley, Austin Trout, and Baldomir? Floyd had these wins before fighting Alvarez....Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, & Guerrero.

              Who you think was more experienced Floyd or Canelo? Floyd’s wins can’t be better than Leonard’s or Ali’s or Robinson’s because their wins were against fighters in their primes who were more equally matched to them when they fought. Floyd has names on his resume, no question. But the playing field wasn’t always level when he fought them. Floyd has the “undefeated record,” 50-0, doesn’t mean he was better than Leonard or Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson. The strawweight guy going for 51-0 is irrelevant to me unless he retires undefeated than he has Floyd’s “record”-LOL!!!
              Duran was in his prime when he fought Leonard. And Hagler was a few wars past it. Hearns and Benitez hadn't hit their prime yet. And Benitez was great, but who exactly did he beat before fighting Leonard? I bet it's pretty comparable to Canelo. And Canelo was as good or better than the Norris who ko'd 36 yr old Leonard.

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              • Originally posted by dwayne3534 View Post
                Well Floyd was older than the past prime dela Hoya and the same age as the past prime mosley when he fought Canelo. In fact, at that age Leonard was getting his ass kicked by guys like Terry Norris

                Makes “ZERO” sense based on everything I said. So I will let you read my posts again and TRY to understand them. But Floyd isn’t better than Leonard or Ali or Robinson and never will be. Real boxing experts and historians all agree on that. Floyd had a great career just not better than any of the fighters I mentioned above based on all the points I’ve already made YESTERDAY.

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                • Originally posted by larryxxx.. View Post
                  Hilarious, yall call others past prime and act like Floyd never aged at all
                  True.

                  But the poster I responded to described how impressive his resume is. Yes, those are impressive names, but he did not beat them in their prime. Further, he won by being boring and defensive.

                  The main argument is that if he beat these fighters when they were in their primes and did it in exciting fashion, his resume would be much more impressive, and the OP's argument would be far more valid.

                  Finally, there is a perception that Floyd avoided fighters who were in their prime (not to mention the weight limits [Marquez, for instance]) and waited for the right moment to fight them. Not sure if this is totally accurate (aside from Manny), but again, it challenges the OP's claim.

                  But, as I mentioned, the resume is still impressive, despite the points I noted.
                  Last edited by Leonbus2; 08-08-2018, 10:50 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by dwayne3534 View Post
                    Duran was in his prime when he fought Leonard. And Hagler was a few wars past it. Hearns and Benitez hadn't hit their prime yet. And Benitez was great, but who exactly did he beat before fighting Leonard? I bet it's pretty comparable to Canelo. And Canelo was as good or better than the Norris who ko'd 36 yr old Leonard.
                    Duran was in his prime when he fought Leonard. I made that point already so was LEONARD. Both Equally matched. And Every fighter has wars in the ring. It’s a dangerous sport. Hagler wasn’t any different but he was coming off some great wins against Hearns and Mugabi and Duran. Hagler didn’t make any excuses about where he was mentally and physically. He was still young enough and strong enough when he faced Leonard, he just got outclassed in that (1) fight. He got outboxed narrowly. It’s a great win for Leonard because he stepped up and challenged Hagler who EVERYONE thought would kill Leonard before the fight because Leonard came out of retirement. And Hagler had destroyed Hearns already.

                    Floyd doesn’t have (1) fight on his resume comparable to that fight. It would have been if he stepped up and faced GGG. There are ZERO fights on his resume comparable to when Leonard fought Benitez, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler; all HOF’ers in their primes.

                    And Floyd NEVER fought anyone or any contemporary fighter when they were in their prime at the SAME time he was in his prime. That’s my point. For whatever reason, the fights with Mosley, Oscar, and Manny never took place when they and Floyd were in their primes, for whatever reason. So Floyd doesn’t get extra credit points for beating Oscar, Mosley, and Manny when they were past their prime.

                    And you said Hearns and Benitez hadn’t hit their prime. They both had over 30 fights of experience when they got into the ring with Leonard. And Leonard himself only had 25 fights to Benitez’s 39 fights. So Benitez started boxing at 15 and Hearns started at 18. Hearns had 32 fights before facing Leonard who only had 30 fights. And Benitez and Hearns were considered to be top fighters in the welterweight division when they both fought Leonard. KNOW YOUR BOXING

                    And I really don’t understand your point or argument about Norris and Leonard. It’s sounds really ******-LOL! So your saying Floyd was better than Ali too who lost to Spinks when Ali was 36 years old and Spinks was 25 years old. Ali won the rematch against a 25 year old HW with a strong Olympic pedigree & background. But BOTH Spinks and Alvarez were inexperienced. I can’t give Ali or Floyd a lot of credit for those wins. And I’m not comparing Alvarez to Spinks by the way. Alvarez is a much better fighter than Spinks. My point is, Floyd nor Ali fought either one of them when they were the best versions of themselves. Spinks only had around 6 fights. Alvarez had only beaten a 40 year old Mosley, Austin Trout, and Cotto that was never the same after the beating from Margarito and Manny. Alvarez wasn’t ready to beat Floyd & he got schooled!

                    And every boxing fan knows Leonard wasn’t the same fighter when he fought Norris or Camacho. He wasn’t the same fighter when he fought Duran a 3rd time or Hearns a 2nd time. Leonard’s prime ended after that Hagler win. He took off another year and came back to fight for the Light heavyweight title against Donny LaLonde and got dropped before coming back to win that fight. He should have retired for good back then.

                    And if you compare Leonard’s and Ali’s wins in their prime against Floyd’s wins in his prime, it’s not even close. The type of fighters they both faced, Ali & Leonard, they were in their primes also. Can’t say the same thing about Floyd. He beat a young Alvarez and Oscar, Mosley, and Manny after their primes. Floyd’s best wins are against Corrales, Castillo, Hatton, and Cotto. They rest of his wins were “strategic” wins against opponents not on a level playing field, chosen at the right time.

                    I’m not placing his wins over Oscar, Mosley, Manny, Marquez, and Gatti, over Leonard’s “initial” wins against Hearns, Hagler, Duran, and Benitez. And I’m not placing those Floyd wins above Ali’s against Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Mathis, Ellis, Shavers, Lyle, & Foster. Nor am I placing Floyd’s wins over Sugar Ray Robinson’s against LaMotta, Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Graziano, Fullmer, Basilio, & Maxim. Floyd isn’t better than Ali, Leonard, or Robinson-I’m sorry.
                    Last edited by markther; 08-08-2018, 11:00 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by dwayne3534 View Post
                      Duran was in his prime when he fought Leonard. And Hagler was a few wars past it. Hearns and Benitez hadn't hit their prime yet. And Benitez was great, but who exactly did he beat before fighting Leonard? I bet it's pretty comparable to Canelo. And Canelo was as good or better than the Norris who ko'd 36 yr old Leonard.
                      A truly legitimate hall of fame great fighter in Antonio Cervantes. Cervantes is better than anything Canelo has beaten to date.

                      Carlos Palamino too was an outstanding fighter who's in the hall of fame and clearly a level above Trout or washed up Mosley. He's also a more accomplished fighter than anything Canelo has ever beat apart from Cotto but he was right in the middle of his prime and Cotto was far past is and a lot smaller.

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