Comments Thread For: WBC Prez: It Seems That Wilder Will Fight Tyson Fury Next

[KnickTillDeaTh]

The Ring Magazine is literally owned by a Promoter, and even stopped their own lineage for nearly a decade, then arbitrarily restarted it with their own hand picked champs. They literally did exactly what you said they don't do.

In fact, there's MANY different versions of a Lineal Champ - The Ring is only one of them. We are so far removed from this "title" having credibility, it's insane how people still bring it up.

If you're going to try and give a history lesson, don't destroy your own argument at the same time.

Ring is the original and only recognized lineal title since 1922, awarded to Jack Dempsey. And if they just pick who ever they want how did Martinez get the Middleweight? Then Cotto? It was from the original lineal title that could be traced back to Hopkins. Please do some form of research before you talk nonsense. The Ring is owned by GBP but DLH makes no decisions for the Ring, its governed by an editorial panel. As I said they changed the rules to the top 5 instead of the top 3 but theres still rules that regulate the title. Thats fact, everything you said is nothing but hyperbole.

[KillaCamNZ]

Ring is the original and only recognized lineal title since 1922, awarded to Jack Dempsey. And if they just pick who ever they want how did Martinez get the Middleweight? Then Cotto? It was from the original lineal title that could be traced back to Hopkins. Please do some form of research before you talk nonsense. The Ring is owned by GBP but DLH makes no decisions for the Ring, its governed by an editorial panel. As I said they changed the rules to the top 5 instead of the top 3 but theres still rules that regulate the title. Thats fact, everything you said is nothing but hyperbole.

Again, The Ring literally did the opposite of what you're saying. When they re-established Champions after not doing so for nearly 10 years, they ignored their own lineage in awarding "titles".

At 108, lineage ran through Arce - they gave it to Rosendo Alvarez.

At 115, they ignored the lineage to Tokuyama.

At 122, they gave it to Ayala despite the obviously questionable lead up.

That's just the baby weights - I haven't even touched on things like the Vitali issue.

This is two times in a row you've been knocked down - don't try getting back up.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Again, The Ring literally did the opposite of what you're saying. When they re-established Champions after not doing so for nearly 10 years, they ignored their own lineage in awarding "titles".

At 108, lineage ran through Arce - they gave it to Rosendo Alvarez.

At 115, they ignored the lineage to Tokuyama.

At 122, they gave it to Ayala despite the obviously questionable lead up.

That's just the baby weights - I haven't even touched on things like the Vitali issue.

This is two times in a row you've been knocked down - don't try getting back up.

Im trying to figure out if you're dim witted or just a selective reader. What are the rules for awarding a Lineal title? They didn't just hand it to who ever, unless you can show me that every single lineal champ was signed by GBP, you can't, because they weren't. Again how was Martinez a lineal champion? Oh and by the way don't think I didn't notice how you didn't bring that "theres multiple lineal titles" gaff. Hard to knock someone down when you're too busy constantly trying to get up.

[KillaCamNZ]

Im trying to figure out if you're dim witted or just a selective reader. What are the rules for awarding a Lineal title? They didn't just hand it to who ever, unless you can show me that every single lineal champ was signed by GBP, you can't, because they weren't. Again how was Martinez a lineal champion? Oh and by the way don't think I didn't notice how you didn't bring that "theres multiple lineal titles" gaff. Hard to knock someone down when you're too busy constantly trying to get up.

I haven't said anything about Martinez or his weight class. I also haven't said anything about GBP signing fighters - you've literally lost touch with reality. If I talk about an Audi breaking down, telling me it can't break down because your BMW is working fine, doesn't compute.

Either come up with some counterpoints to what we're discussing, or walk away and stop wasting my time.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I haven't said anything about Martinez or his weight class. I also haven't said anything about GBP signing fighters - you've literally lost touch with reality. If I talk about an Audi breaking down, telling me it can't break down because your BMW is working fine, doesn't compute.

Either come up with some counterpoints to what we're discussing, or walk away and stop wasting my time.

Boy you are one for the record books. You do know GBP owns ring right? I don't think you even understand your own argument. Either way your argument is an opinion. Ring wanted to create new Lineages for their titles, they created new criteria which was more stringent then the previous rules. GBP then changed the rules from top 3 to top 5 because more and more top rated fighters were not fighting eachother, effectively leaving the lineal title vacant. Ring is still the only recognized lineal title, and is still highly respected. Your argument is moot. You're claiming they are not respected or it's not worth what it once was because they (you think they chose new champs) began new lineages, which is an opinion. You didn't even know Ring was the real lineal title. I don't even know why I continue to indulge you, you're obviously a low information boxing fan. Lol "multiple lineal titles".

[KillaCamNZ]

Boy you are one for the record books. You do know GBP owns ring right? I don't think you even understand your own argument. Either way your argument is an opinion. Ring wanted to create new Lineages for their titles, they created new criteria which was more stringent then the previous rules. GBP then changed the rules from top 3 to top 5 because more and more top rated fighters were not fighting eachother, effectively leaving the lineal title vacant. Ring is still the only recognized lineal title, and is still highly respected. Your argument is moot. You're claiming they are not respected or it's not worth what it once was because they (you think they chose new champs) began new lineages, which is an opinion. You didn't even know Ring was the real lineal title. I don't even know why I continue to indulge you, you're obviously a low information boxing fan. Lol "multiple lineal titles".

First bold - this is literally what I said to you in my first response to you. At what point do you stop saying things that show what a complete and utter idiot you are? I understand some people are slow, but you are glacial.

Second bold - I gave direct and simple examples that contradicted your assertions that there is no questionability to their appointment of Lineal Champ. You have given absolutely nothing to refute those examples. All you've done is point out the fact that they did decide to create new lineages - which is exactly what I have already said, and goes AGAINST the value of your earlier points about tracing back lineage to the 20's - because the lineages stopped and were recreated!

Rather than stumbling your way to the high ground by talking about indulging me, indulge yourself in what you're saying in the first place - you literally cannot even remember what has already been pointed out.

How many more times do you want to undo your own argument? You can't remember what you say, you can't stop contradicting yourself, you flat out ignore direct examples of where you're wrong - anything else?

[KnickTillDeaTh]

First bold - this is literally what I said to you in my first response to you. At what point do you stop saying things that show what a complete and utter idiot you are? I understand some people are slow, but you are glacial.

Second bold - I gave direct and simple examples that contradicted your assertions that there is no questionability to their appointment of Lineal Champ. You have given absolutely nothing to refute those examples. All you've done is point out the fact that they did decide to create new lineages - which is exactly what I have already said, and goes AGAINST the value of your earlier points about tracing back lineage to the 20's - because the lineages stopped and were recreated!

Rather than stumbling your way to the high ground by talking about indulging me, indulge yourself in what you're saying in the first place - you literally cannot even remember what has already been pointed out.

How many more times do you want to undo your own argument? You can't remember what you say, you can't stop contradicting yourself, you flat out ignore direct examples of where you're wrong - anything else?

You still haven't showed how they "chose" there new lineage. I mean you are a special kind of ******. You didn't even know Ring was the lineal championship. You thought there was more than one lineal title. My point nor have my facts changed in even the slightest. You however continue to offer opinion. The new lineage was created by one of the top 2 fighters in a division, fighting another top 5 fighter from the same division. What don't you get about that?

You said "The Ring Magazine is literally owned by a Promoter, and even stopped their own lineage for nearly a decade, then arbitrarily restarted it with their own hand picked champs. They literally did exactly what you said they don't do."

First the Ring wasn't tied to a promoter until 2007 when it was pirchased by GBP. Then you got dumb when I asked you to show me how all the lineal champs were signed with GBP who owns Ring since you claimed they hand picked their champs. You still don't understand how the lineal title is rewarded, you are quite simply a low IQ wannabe boxing fan who believes he knows something. Let me make it simple, the Lineal title is not tied to an alphabet belt, a fighter is not awarded a vacant lineal title unless he's ranked in #1 or 2, and defeats the other #1 or 2 ranked fighter. If #1 or 2 do not fight, then either of them can fight the #3, 4 , or 5 ranked to win the vacant lineal title - But I guess in your world that's the same as hand picking.

Lol I'm done with your brand of ignoramus. You didn't even know Ring was the lineal title lmao, and you have the nerve to argue with me. Only on NSB.

[Stiff-Hard-Jab]

Had this conversation before, they are the same look it up.

They're not the same, look back through history. And no thanks, why would I waste my time reading something you obviously know very little about.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

They're not the same, look back through history. And no thanks, why would I waste my time reading something you obviously know very little about.

First lineal title awarded to Jack Dempsey by Ring in 1922. Ring awarded the Lineal title until the 1990's, when they stopped for a full decade. They began awarding the lineal title again in the early 2000's, and where purchased by GBP. Ring is still and always has been recognized as the only legitimate Lineal title organization. But yeah, I know nothing.

[b00g13man]

First lineal title awarded to Jack Dempsey by Ring in 1922. Ring awarded the Lineal title until the 1990's, when they stopped for a full decade. They began awarding the lineal title again in the early 2000's, and where purchased by GBP. Ring is still and always has been recognized as the only legitimate Lineal title organization. But yeah, I know nothing.

You are wrong though. The Ring title is their version of a lineal title. Even though for the most part they were synonymous, they are separate concepts.