Wilder has set himself up for a trap

[Ray*]

Hearn and Joshua had to dictate both the split and the location .

All of this is irrelevant. The only way to stop any boxer from running is to sign a contract. Everything else is just lies and propaganda. You don't want a boxer to run? Then you sign a contract. Especially if you have a contract to sign, it then ties that boxer in.

[SAINTSTEVE]

All of this is irrelevant. The only way to stop any boxer from running is to sign a contract. Everything else is just lies and propaganda. You don't want a boxer to run? Then you sign a contract. Especially if you have a contract to sign, it then ties that boxer in.

The terms of the contract are irrelevant. Only the signature is relevant. Lol GTFOH.
Look man enjoy the fight or don't, I really don't give a ****. Just like, I have more respect for Fury and less for Hearn and Joshua since this saga began, and you don't care about that.

[Ray*]

The terms of the contract are irrelevant. Only the signature is relevant. Lol GTFOH.

Of course its relevant, all the stuff that you typed earlier weren't. If you are desperate for a fight and you have a contract that you agree to then sign it, it keep anyone running away from you.

[KTFOKING]

Well, you list the reasons why the fight shouldn't happen, but you are inaccurate with some of your statements.

1) Wilder is getting offered a flat fee of $15 million in April for Joshua. There is an outside chance he gets to that mark depending on the number of PPV buys in both countries and how the revenue split. At the very least, Wilder should be getting around $10 million for the fight. So he is getting a massive pay day regardless if it reaches the Joshua amount or not.

2) If he does beat Fury, he most certainly has more negotiation pull for a Joshua showdown. You think he will accept a $15 million flat fee if he wins? No way, his name will only get bigger in the UK, and he will be considered the lineal HW champ of the world. A win over Fury and he has a chance to get a 30% split vs Joshua, or even more. Then his pay day vs Joshua will be quite possibly $30 million. And considering it will be a PPV in the states as well, he will have basically a trial run vs Fury before THE fight in boxing. Even though the PPV will take place in the afternoon, it could still sell 300-400k IMO.

3) If he ends up losing to Fury, he will still have made around $10 million. Do you honestly think he just goes away with a loss? Did Klitschko go away after losing to Fury with one of the worst performances he's ever had? What makes you think the fight is no longer there? Maybe not in April, but he could get a win or two and be right back in the Joshua sweepstakes. The Fury fight becomes MASSIVE for Joshua, but that may be a struggle to make and probably won't happen until late 2019 at the earliest.

So yeah, the risk is well worth it for Wilder. A loss here and he still makes big money and he could fight someone like Breazeale next March or rematch Ortiz and get right back in the Joshua sweepstakes. Wilder agreed to fight Povetkin in Russia FFS. And that was when Povetkin was juiced to the grills knocking everyone out in his way. Sure his resume' is weak, but it is clear for the last two years he and his team don't fear him losing. And they know with his power, he could put any HW in the worlds lights out.

[mathed]

Fights a guy with 1 fight in 3 years, several stints in rehab over that period, while fighting for a fraction of the amount he was offered to fight AJ.

Not a good look

[koolkc107]

in my opinion, i think there's no way this whole fury situation turns out good for wilder. there's 4 ways it could play out:

1. they postpone or cancel the fight to next year because maybe fury doesn't look as great against pianeta. in this case, the wbc HAS to call the breazeale mandatory because they have said it will be called in december. if they don't then they will lose some credibility. if they do call it, wilder has to fight breazeale, and his team ends up looking like liars.

2. they fight this year, and wilder beats fury. There's just no way they are making more than a joshua fight would make this year. if wilder beats fury, then him and his fanboys will forever have to defend why they fought a guy who had not fought competitively in 3 years, with sever mental health issues, who dropped 130 pounds in a year. it hurts his legacy and his pockets, in my opinion. breazeale is a better fight for him at this point.

3. fury beats wilder whenever they fight. i shouldn't have to state how bad this would be for wilder.

in my opinion, this fight probably won't happen this year. frank warren and finkel will probably try to set it for around april next year to counter joshua's wembley move.

I have already explained why the fight happening this year is the perfect scenario and a win-win for both fighters no matter what happens.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788560

Fury isn't postponing anything unless he is legit injured.
Too much at stake for that. Too much reward and too little risk for him to not try even if he has a minor injury. His excuse is already built in as I explained.

There is no reason anyone will defend the version of Fury that Wilder ends up fighting as anything more than a guy on the comeback trail. Depending on how he looks vs Pianetta, that may be a guy that is viable now or a guy that still needs work. But, some of that work will come. Fury will have had 2 fights and 3 camps before he gets in with Deontay. Which is more than can be said for AJ's best win who looked bad for 2 fights prior, was off almost 2 years, and had zero tune-ups on the way back. If you are OK with one, by definition you must be fine with the other.

If Fury beat Wilder, he is as much of a catbird seat as Wilder will be should he win. The winner will be the lineal and the holder of the most prestigious championship, the green belt of the WBC. It won't be any disaster, as no one ever mistook Wilder's skill level for that of Ali's and because of the fact that win or lose he will almost certainly still be the most dangerous puncher in the division.

Your post seems more like your own personal wish list than any objective take. For example, no win over any version of Breazeale is better than a win over a Fury that has had the equivalent of 3 and a half month's preparation and a tune-up to boot. If you don't get that, I don't know what else to tell you...

[that g]

Well, you list the reasons why the fight shouldn't happen, but you are inaccurate with some of your statements.

1) Wilder is getting offered a flat fee of $15 million in April for Joshua. There is an outside chance he gets to that mark depending on the number of PPV buys in both countries and how the revenue split. At the very least, Wilder should be getting around $10 million for the fight. So he is getting a massive pay day regardless if it reaches the Joshua amount or not.

2) If he does beat Fury, he most certainly has more negotiation pull for a Joshua showdown. You think he will accept a $15 million flat fee if he wins? No way, his name will only get bigger in the UK, and he will be considered the lineal HW champ of the world. A win over Fury and he has a chance to get a 30% split vs Joshua, or even more. Then his pay day vs Joshua will be quite possibly $30 million. And considering it will be a PPV in the states as well, he will have basically a trial run vs Fury before THE fight in boxing. Even though the PPV will take place in the afternoon, it could still sell 300-400k IMO.

3) If he ends up losing to Fury, he will still have made around $10 million. Do you honestly think he just goes away with a loss? Did Klitschko go away after losing to Fury with one of the worst performances he's ever had? What makes you think the fight is no longer there? Maybe not in April, but he could get a win or two and be right back in the Joshua sweepstakes. The Fury fight becomes MASSIVE for Joshua, but that may be a struggle to make and probably won't happen until late 2019 at the earliest.

So yeah, the risk is well worth it for Wilder. A loss here and he still makes big money and he could fight someone like Breazeale next March or rematch Ortiz and get right back in the Joshua sweepstakes. Wilder agreed to fight Povetkin in Russia FFS. And that was when Povetkin was juiced to the grills knocking everyone out in his way. Sure his resume' is weak, but it is clear for the last two years he and his team don't fear him losing. And they know with his power, he could put any HW in the worlds lights out.

1. there's no way he gets to 15mil. even you should be able to admit that. 10mil isn't bad. but why turn down guaranteed 15 mil to fight someone else just to stick it to hearn? that notion of placing ego over business sense is silly.

2. true. that's about the only upside. but to me, as i said, he would get the same result (and more) if he fought his mandatory like joshua is doing, and negotiated properly with hearn/AJ. also, my post wasn't really about AJ, but about wilder and his career. breazele is a much more sensible and easier fight than fury. if the only upside for wilder is more negotiating power with joshua, i'd say that he could probably negotiate for more right now, if he could set his ego aside.

3. if he loses, that's it for wilder. no top HW boxer will want to box him because he clearly cant pay them well enough, is a massive risk for them, and has no belt to offer. choosing a possible 10mil career ending payday vs a 15mil career ending payday isn't smart. no way the breazele fight gets made if he loses.

[that g]

I have already explained why the fight happening this year is the perfect scenario and a win-win for both fighters no matter what happens.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788560

Fury isn't postponing anything unless he is legit injured.
Too much at stake for that. Too much reward and too little risk for him to not try even if he has a minor injury. His excuse is already built in as I explained.

There is no reason anyone will defend the version of Fury that Wilder ends up fighting as anything more than a guy on the comeback trail. Depending on how he looks vs Pianetta, that may be a guy that is viable now or a guy that still needs work. But, some of that work will come. Fury will have had 2 fights and 3 camps before he gets in with Deontay. Which is more than can be said for AJ's best win who looked bad for 2 fights prior, was off almost 2 years, and had zero tune-ups on the way back. If you are OK with one, by definition you must be fine with the other.

If Fury beat Wilder, he is as much of a catbird seat as Wilder will be should he win. The winner will be the lineal and the holder of the most prestigious championship, the green belt of the WBC. It won't be any disaster, as no one ever mistook Wilder's skill level for that of Ali's and because of the fact that win or lose he will almost certainly still be the most dangerous puncher in the division.

Your post seems more like your own personal wish list than any objective take. For example, no win over any version of Breazeale is better than a win over a Fury that has had the equivalent of 3 and a half month's preparation and a tune-up to boot. If you don't get that, I don't know what else to tell you...

too much to respond to here. i responded to your thread also.
but, a breazeale/mandatory fight does more for wilder and his legacy right now than a fury fight, even though fury has more clout. even you should be able to see that.

this isn't about AJ, but about wilder. i am looking at it from his career perspective, not compared to AJ's career.

klitchko was out for two years, sure, but he didn't have anywhere near the issues fury had. stop equating the two if you are really trying to be objective. klitschko never stopped training. fury lost 130 lbs in a year. thats unhealthy in of itself, talkless of the mental and drug issues he had.

[IMDAZED]

it was pretty sad when hearn himself feigned his own concern for wilders welfare....now AJ fanboys are acting concerned too! LOL

what a joke and a shame

[KTFOKING]

1. there's no way he gets to 15mil. even you should be able to admit that. 10mil isn't bad. but why turn down guaranteed 15 mil to fight someone else just to stick it to hearn? that notion of placing ego over business sense is silly.

2. true. that's about the only upside. but to me, as i said, he would get the same result (and more) if he fought his mandatory like joshua is doing, and negotiated properly with hearn/AJ. also, my post wasn't really about AJ, but about wilder and his career. breazele is a much more sensible and easier fight than fury. if the only upside for wilder is more negotiating power with joshua, i'd say that he could probably negotiate for more right now, if he could set his ego aside.

3. if he loses, that's it for wilder. no top HW boxer will want to box him because he clearly cant pay them well enough, is a massive risk for them, and has no belt to offer. choosing a possible 10mil career ending payday vs a 15mil career ending payday isn't smart. no way the breazele fight gets made if he loses.

1) Because 10 million is still a MASSIVE pay day. Like I said, it depends on the amount of PPV buys in both countries and the revenue split. I'm guessing it will be 60/40 in Wilder's favor but who knows. You said he has 15 million guaranteed in April, yes, but he could make 10 million here and then reap the benefits of a win.

2) Hearn keeps offering the same deal and said he isn't changing the terms. He has talked about Whyte fighting Joshua in April if Wilder doesn't agree to their terms. Can he negotiate more? Maybe, but if he wins then Hearn has no choice but to give Wilder a bigger piece of the pie. Breazeale is easier, but also not as close to being as big as the Wilder fight.

3) That makes no sense. If Wilder loses no HW will fight him? He brings nothing to the table? Really? So if Wilder loses say a decision in a competitive fight, why exactly is he done? Why can't he get a win over a solid HW and get back in the mix? That fight vs Joshua would still be huge. I mean any Joshua fight is huge, but Wilder will have made a name with the UK public after the Fury fight and people would still want to see him and Joshua two big punchers go at it. You don't think that fight can sell close to a million PPV buys in the UK even if Wilder loses to Fury? Child please.