Comments Thread For: Wilder: Deal To Fight Fury is Closer Than Joshua Deal Ever Was

[MDPopescu]

My initial post was:

Now:

-- would this be a PPV fight?
-- what kind of money would be involved?...

It would pull several hundred thousands buys in the US (educated guess). Not the $100 million+ for Joshua they were expecting, but it could generate a pot of about $15 - $20 million for the fighters with the live gate and PPV sales. UK PPV sales could push that number to $20 - $25 million total.

I think that people shouldn't doubt this happening because both camps need more bargaining power at the table with Joshua and Hearn. How?

Joshua' s biggest fight pot was $40 million in his fight against Vladimir. (Both earned $20 million or so.) So if Fury and Wilder could pull this off, both have a PPV argument to stand on, and the likely outcome is:

1. Wilder proves his US demand (If the buys are there) and would actually be able to argue that he deserves 50/50 in the UK or that the fight should be in the US if they actually made this type of money with Fury.

2. Fury would certainly get 50/50 with AJ for a UK fight (which we know Warren will care about).

So in my view, both camps actually need each other, to prevent having zero negotiating power with AJ and Hearn. If they fail, then they lose nothing in those negotiations anyway.

I'm just entertaining all of this lol obviously idk what's going on, but I get the logic if it happens.

... you didn't answer to that one...

[Clegg]

If this happens, I'll be happy.

We need the HW guys to mix it up. The talent is in no way comparable (just had to say that first lol), but we could have fans generally aware of 5 or 6 HWs like the 70s (with another cast of solid names). When you add guys like Joyce and DuBois to the mix it's a real party at the top.

Eventually they all need to fight each. That would make this era pretty damn good.

Just look at this list:
Wilder (Ortiz)
Joshua (Whyte, Parker, Povetkin, Breaezeale)
Fury
Ortiz (Wilder, Jennings)
Povetkin (Joshua)
Whyte (AJ, Parker, Chisora)
Parker (AJ, Whyte)

Rising names:
Joyce
DuBois
Yoka
Usyk

Solid Bodies:
Jennings (Ortiz)
Breazeale (AJ)
Chisora (Whyte)

Not that bad if you ask me. (Again I'm not saying the skills are there. Just solid names.)

Yeah agreed, not a great era but if guys are willing to mix it up it would be remembered well. Whyte-Parker, Chisora-Takam didn't sound great on paper but made an entertaining night.

It would've made for a great 2018 if AJ-Wilder 2 fight deal was done and meanwhile Miller-Pulev, Whyte-Ortiz, Breazeale-Jennings, Parker-Povetkin, Chisora-Igu, then the winners facing off while the losers face the rising names you mentioned. I know it's unrealistic but having a HW WBSS without the top 3 guys would interest me. Let AJ/Wilder/Fury face each other and establish a top dog and become the biggest name in the sport, and let the WBSS establish a challenger who is ready, willing and on an impressive winning streak.

Also, aside from the top 3, Ortiz looks a level above the rest. But he just got knocked out by Wilder so I'd like to see him prove he's as good as he looks/wasn't damaged by the KO before his next title shot. WBC could order Ortiz-DB if Wilder is busy, that'd be a good fight.

[Butch.McRae]

Yeah agreed, not a great era but if guys are willing to mix it up it would be remembered well. Whyte-Parker, Chisora-Takam didn't sound great on paper but made an entertaining night.

It would've made for a great 2018 if AJ-Wilder 2 fight deal was done and meanwhile Miller-Pulev, Whyte-Ortiz, Breazeale-Jennings, Parker-Povetkin, Chisora-Igu, then the winners facing off while the losers face the rising names you mentioned. I know it's unrealistic but having a HW WBSS without the top 3 guys would interest me. Let AJ/Wilder/Fury face each other and establish a top dog and become the biggest name in the sport, and let the WBSS establish a challenger who is ready, willing and on an impressive winning streak.

Also, aside from the top 3, Ortiz looks a level above the rest. But he just got knocked out by Wilder so I'd like to see him prove he's as good as he looks/wasn't damaged by the KO before his next title shot. WBC could order Ortiz-DB if Wilder is busy, that'd be a good fight.

Damn I forgot about Miller lol

But yes, a HW WBSS without the top 3 would be amazing

[Boxingfanatic75]

Ease up mate .. you're talking about 99% of my friends and workmates there!

Yes, they can be annoying, and I've wasted hours of my life trying to explain to them that yes, AJ is a very good fighter, but no, he definitely could not KO Tyson and Hughie Fury, Dillian Whyte, and Wilder one after the other on the same night, and could easily lose to any one of them, especially Big T.

But they are nowhere near as bad as the Wilder fanboys, who seem to be a combination of the racially biased LDBC ... and about a million dumb yanks who suddenly appeared out of nowhere and jumped on Deontay's **** after this whole US vs UK fan war bull**** kicked off.

I like my UK bastards and would gladly again take up arms along side them as I did when I was in the Corps! Rawr!!!!

I still like Wilder though hahha

[Boxingfanatic75]

The fight will be horrible and I was the one person that thought the Vlad fury fight was ok.

Wilder will lose every round until he windmills and then he either catches Fury or he doesn't.

Wilder loses the early rounds to boxers with a 10th of Furys ability but Fury may gas, his reflexes may be just off or he starts clowning and then he could just get knocked out.

I think Fury needed at least one proper fight to win this, no idea why he would take it better fight fr Wilder than fury now but Wilder is so risk adverse its crazy.

No one EVER mentions that Wilder ONLY windmills when he has already sparked his opponent. Meaning he has the guy already seeing stars. Up to that point he is fundamental keeping his opponent at his long reach. I suspect some have either never seen his fights or claim this to disparage him. I’ll admit it isn’t the best form however he isn’t “windmilling” a guy he hasn’t already hurt. And that windmill, once cracked to finish a guy is the most devastating punches landed across all HWs today

[bballchump11]

Props to both guys. This really shows you how full of **** Hearn was.

[ThelronMike]

I can't wait to board the scarybodyshot train after this fight gets made

[Drew Bundini Br]

A big fight at heavyweight div is needed. Let's hope this deal gets done.

[peplz]

Deontay said and I Quote this fight is closer than me and Joshua in a lifetime....... closer than having a contract that you said you agree to all terms and just waiting for your ink or your teams 2 points.......Damn that is close then. This fight is definitely happening. It’s a great fight which Wilder wins by KO.well done to both

Meaning Wilder was never planning on fighting Joshua. He basically admitted it with this statement. Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury are closer to making this fight than he could ever get in a lifetime says it all. But of course this will be swept under the rug because the internet is full of twerps.

[BreakingBox]

Here's a video of one of Tyson Fury's recent sparring partners, Walt Harris. He has also sparred with Deontay Wilder. Harris said, "Out of about 35 rounds of sparring, I only hit Fury in the face like 7 times." He said that he is very slick, moves very well, and is very hard to hit. I'm a Wilder fan, and I think he will have problems with Fury. It will be a very interesting fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6odMGkR85Pc