Tyson Fury: America Is Laughing At Us!

[S7V7N]

That's only valid if you are a ringside judge.

If you are going back and scoring the fight the way it should have been scored "in a perfect world", you count the knock down and score the round correctly.

You address all the errors, not just some.

If, for example, there is a point deduction and replay shows there was actually no foul, you correct that too.

Nope. That's just not how it works bud.

Seems like a bit of an opportunist or straw man to support Floyd's narrow decision win here by calling a KD. At best it's a draw since the knockdown wasn't called. Where does it stop? Deduct points for excessive holding too? It gets pretty subjective don't ya think? Low blows? How many points you deduct from Salido or Ward? It is what it is. They just get away with it.

Gotta agree with The Goat here. You can argue about what should have happened but you still need to go with what the official calls when actually scoring.

Not sure this will hit home though after seeing some comments you've made regarding similar controversies surrounding both Loma & Ward. What happened to "perfect world" & "scoring the round correctly"? All were close fights & scores are indeed subjective but lets not start being the official in the ring & the judge ringside at the same time.

when you have a legit loss to Orlando Salido.

I didn't hear Loma's corner complaining much about low blows during the fight.
I DID hear a lot about low blows from them after the decision didn't go their way.

I give Salido the win, but far from "legit". If we start taking points away for what the ref missed, then there's no argument & Loma should be considered undefeated.

Sergei certainly fought back the best he could.
Ward was handing him his ass.

From the third round on one guy was holding on for dear life, backing away from seemingly every other body shot he got hit with and was even knocked momentarily thru the ropes on one occasion.
That wasn't Ward getting housed...

Kovalev clearly won 1-5 & rd 10, plus the KD. Close but clear win. If I was to deduct points from Ward for holding & low blows...

Just looking for consistency no matter what side of the line you're on.

[Madison Boxing]

Who cares what the ldbc think really

[koolkc107]

Seems like a bit of an opportunist or straw man to support Floyd's narrow decision win here by calling a KD. At best it's a draw since the knockdown wasn't called. Where does it stop? Deduct points for excessive holding too? It gets pretty subjective don't ya think? Low blows? How many points you deduct from Salido or Ward? It is what it is. They just get away with it.

Gotta agree with The Goat here. You can argue about what should have happened but you still need to go with what the official calls when actually scoring.

Not sure this will hit home though after seeing some comments you've made regarding similar controversies surrounding both Loma & Ward. What happened to "perfect world" & "scoring the round correctly"? All were close fights & scores are indeed subjective but lets not start being the official in the ring & the judge ringside at the same time.



I give Salido the win, but far from "legit". If we start taking points away for what the ref missed, then there's no argument & Loma should be considered undefeated.



Kovalev clearly won 1-5 & rd 10, plus the KD. Close but clear win. If I was to deduct points from Ward for holding & low blows...

Just looking for consistency no matter what side of the line you're on.

Here's the thing.

As long as you can go round by round and justify why you are scoring it the way you are scoring it (corrections included) I have no issue with what folks do even if I personally disagree.

But you are comparing apples and oranges. Low blows are a much more subjective thing than a clear KD. Folks are STILL arguing about whether some of those blows are low or not. But NO ONE doubts the Castillo KD was incorrectly scored a slip. Hope that helps.

I didn't deduct for low blows in the Loma fight because I thought they were not a factor in the fight. As you pointed out by reprinting my quote, Loma and his corner never complained about low blows til after the decision. I felt that a lot of the blows they called low were borderline but not blatant fouls. Further, Loma is a notorious complainer about legal shots down below and it's clear he doesn't like getting hit much to the body.

Ditto Kovalev. This is a guy that also complains about legal shots on the beltline.

And I stand by what I said too. There is no question the fight turned after the KD and there is no way in hell Kovalev swept the first 5 rounds. Most objective scorers give Ward round 3 or 4.

In the fight, the holding was being done by Kovalev. I didn't see it as something to deduct a point for as it was Wards rough house tactics that made a lot of it necessary. It's the same when folks fight Shawn Porter. Of course they are going to hold against Shawn or get tackled. I am not much of a fan of such tactics but it works for Porter and it was certainly effective for Ward in turning the fight. That being said, some of Kovalev's headlocks could be seen as a bit much.

What is clear is that by the end of round 5 the momentum had done a 180 and that Kovalev only won one round the rest of the fight. The judges got it right, 114-113 across the board.

Let me close by saying one more thing about the Mayweather vs Castillo fight. You can get to a Floyd win WITHOUT the KD. I certainly have. The KD makes the win WIDER, it doesn't make the fight into a win.

That's kinda the point.

[Boxing Goat]

Actually after he got knocked out by JMM then he wanted Manny. Every thing else you said was spot on. I Like posters who know there boxing and not fall for all the B.S and change narratives for there favorite fighters.

Correct. That's what I meant by looking human. The robbery Bradley loss helped some as well I would assume.

[SeGoodland]

It wasn't that long ago that Fury was singing AJ's praises about being someone to watch out for in the future. Now that he's the top dog, he's a ****house. Classic Fury.

Fury to beat Wilder.

[Boxing Goat]

Seems like a bit of an opportunist or straw man to support Floyd's narrow decision win here by calling a KD. At best it's a draw since the knockdown wasn't called. Where does it stop? Deduct points for excessive holding too? It gets pretty subjective don't ya think? Low blows? How many points you deduct from Salido or Ward? It is what it is. They just get away with it.

Gotta agree with The Goat here. You can argue about what should have happened but you still need to go with what the official calls when actually scoring.

Not sure this will hit home though after seeing some comments you've made regarding similar controversies surrounding both Loma & Ward. What happened to "perfect world" & "scoring the round correctly"? All were close fights & scores are indeed subjective but lets not start being the official in the ring & the judge ringside at the same time.



I give Salido the win, but far from "legit". If we start taking points away for what the ref missed, then there's no argument & Loma should be considered undefeated.



Kovalev clearly won 1-5 & rd 10, plus the KD. Close but clear win. If I was to deduct points from Ward for holding & low blows...

Just looking for consistency no matter what side of the line you're on.

Brilliant! And the rounds that Ward won in the first fight were definitely not as clear as the ones SK won. He could have even won more rounds. I think I even thought he won rd. 12 if I recall.

[TheBoxingfan101]

Your thoughts on the following statements by the Gypsy King...

“When you’ve got no nuts, you won’t fight people.

“Why don’t you fight Wilder for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world and get $80m in the meanwhile? He has been exposed in my opinion — and if he does fight Wilder he will get knocked out, because he’s useless.

and

He said of the pair[Hearn and AJ]: “They’ve no bottle, no heart and no guts. I’m taking this fight to prove to the British public what they are - s***houses.

“Joshua is on form, he has had no time off, he’s world champion and he’s supposed to be the golden boy of British boxing. I’ve had to come out of retirement to put British boxing back on the map because at the minute we are a laughing stock.

“The whole of America is laughing at us. It takes the Gypsy King to come out after three years to beat the best fighter out there.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-launches-new-attack-13011933

EDIT:

I had to include this video of Fury's opinion of Hearn's negotiations. There are some very damning accusations made. And for those of you who keep harping on what Wilder should take because it's "his biggest payday", checkout what Tyson says about that.

fury is right aj is a p***y

ducking a 80 million dollar pay cheque

[uppercut510]

he never lost his belts in the ring, much respect if he takes this fight in vegas!

[Legendary Hater]

Gotta respect that he's trying to save the dead laughing stock that is British Boxing....but he will fail...

They're a lost cause.

[SAINTSTEVE]

fury is right aj is a p***y

ducking a 80 million dollar pay cheque

He will still be alright though so long as he wins vs Povetkin, but some guy who sparred with Wilder and Fury said Wilder's power is the best but he picks Fury to win. So we got something like a little tournament going on. Everything is going to be alright. Tyson Fury is the savior of the division after all.