Did Brook kill Golovkin's prime?

[Bjl12]

First off, GGG was a pro, when Pavlik and Taylor were in their primes. The thing is, they probably didn't even know who GGG was. Taylor retired shortly after beating Soliman, so GGG didn't even get a chance to fight him on his comeback. You really think they were gonna take a high risk/low reward opponent like GGG in their primes?

By the time GGG first fought in the states, Martinez and Williams were crippled. GGG spent his prime trying, and failing, to get an actual world title, picking up the WBA regular title in the process. Love how you conveniently forgot when GGG had to grind for years, for a shot at one, just for Geale to duck him and fight Mundine.

Also, who's Serygey Duzknuz?


Curtis Stevens fought at 160, 168 and 175, and was a top 10 mw.

GGG fought Rosado in 2012, when he was trying to make a name for himself. This was at a time when nobody was trying to fight GGG, he was a nobody, and Rosado was a top 10 jmw, who was willing to fight anybody. This fight made sense, in terms of name-building.

The Brook fight happened, because Euwank Jr wouldn't sign the contract to fight GGG, and moved up to 168. Every other top big mw either already had a fight lined up, or didn't want the smoke. Plus, Brook was an undefeated top 3 ww at the time, and a draw in the UK. I would've preferred Brook vs Khan and Canelo vs GGG then, but you already what Canelo did. Nevertheless, the fight made sense, from GGG's perspective. He made the best of a bad situation.

Please, don't use Canelo for this argument. Dude invented his own weight division, just to duck GGG. GGG was his mandatory challenger under the WBC, and Canelo vacated that title and started beefing with the WBC for trying to do their job. Also, let's not act like Canelo didn't spend most of his career fighting undersized opponents. This has been covered a million times.


Well, maybe if champions at that division didn't duck GGG, he'd have a better resume.

This is the reality of a Trump and Duterte supporter. FOX news much???

Golovkin turned pro in his mid-late twenties. That's why he was high risk-low reward. It is HIS fault he couldn't get in on Pavlik, Sergio, BHop, JT, PWill, Dzuzunkz (however is spelled). GGG needed to fight children and then whined when nobody wanted to fight him.

GGG drug Rosaso, Stevens, Vanes, and Brook up in weight - refused catchweight for Brook who was moving up T H I R T E E N pounds. Nothing says champ like gruesomely handicapping opponents...

After a half-decade of fighting house arrest cab-drivers who were part-time fighters..Gennady took on Jacobs and Canelo. Those 24 rounds were largely split 12-12 by viewers.

And guess what? Neither Danny Jacobs or Canelo is an ATG MW. They are both good, fun fightere. Canelo has a shot for HOF if he continues his success.

Golovkin at 35 years old - and 40 fights - has 5 opponents that were former champions, are current champions, or went on to become champion. That is horrific by any stretch, in any weight class, during any era. Damn.

Turned down fight with former #1 PFP and 2-time unified champ Andre Ward

Turned down fight with Dervachenko and Andrade to fight a retired part-time JMW fighter coming off a 3-3 stretch after 2 years of inactivity and fighting on a 2 week training camp.

Refused to go to 157 for Canelo or Cotto.

Theres zero impressive about Golovkin. When he stepped up in competition he was glaringly average or just a bit above. Hes been grossly inflated for fighting 35 (of his 40 opponents) who have never and will never be champion in an era with 4+ champions per weight class.

For comparisons sake Floyd and Manny each had 20-30 (or more) of champion opponents. That's what ATG's do..and they won their fights convincingly. Neither Danny or Canelo (as much as I like him) are ATG MW...yet Gennady struggled with both...

One word - hype

Ether

[TonyGe]

This is the reality of a Trump and Duterte supporter. FOX news much???

Golovkin turned pro in his mid-late twenties. That's why he was high risk-low reward. It is HIS fault he couldn't get in on Pavlik, Sergio, BHop, JT, PWill, Dzuzunkz (however is spelled). GGG needed to fight children and then whined when nobody wanted to fight him.

GGG drug Rosaso, Stevens, Vanes, and Brook up in weight - refused catchweight for Brook who was moving up T H I R T E E N pounds. Nothing says champ like gruesomely handicapping opponents...

After a half-decade of fighting house arrest cab-drivers who were part-time fighters..Gennady took on Jacobs and Canelo. Those 24 rounds were largely split 12-12 by viewers.

And guess what? Neither Danny Jacobs or Canelo is an ATG MW. They are both good, fun fightere. Canelo has a shot for HOF if he continues his success.

Golovkin at 35 years old - and 40 fights - has 5 opponents that were former champions, are current champions, or went on to become champion. That is horrific by any stretch, in any weight class, during any era. Damn.

Turned down fight with former #1 PFP and 2-time unified champ Andre Ward

Turned down fight with Dervachenko and Andrade to fight a retired part-time JMW fighter coming off a 3-3 stretch after 2 years of inactivity and fighting on a 2 week training camp.

Refused to go to 157 for Canelo or Cotto.

Theres zero impressive about Golovkin. When he stepped up in competition he was glaringly average or just a bit above. Hes been grossly inflated for fighting 35 (of his 40 opponents) who have never and will never be champion in an era with 4+ champions per weight class.

For comparisons sake Floyd and Manny each had 20-30 (or more) of champion opponents. That's what ATG's do..and they won their fights convincingly. Neither Danny or Canelo (as much as I like him) are ATG MW...yet Gennady struggled with both...

One word - hype

Ether

He clearly beat both Jacobs and Canelo. Canelo more so than Jacobs. Don't know how you came to the conclusion that the the rounds were split 12-12. You appear to know very little about boxing history... It is extremely rare for a Middleweight champion to move up in weight when he is holding a title. It is even rarer for them to move down in weight. Monzon, Hagler probably in the top 5 all time Middleweight champions never moved down in weight or fought at a catch weight. Sugar Ray Robinson didn't move back down once he won the Middleweight title. Your post has as many holes in it as Swiss Cheese. Fighters in the lighter weight classes historically moved up in weight. Your comparing Golovkin and other Middleweight champions to these guys. It's ridiculous.

[Morton Belgram]

This is the reality of a Trump and Duterte supporter. FOX news much???

Golovkin turned pro in his mid-late twenties. That's why he was high risk-low reward. It is HIS fault he couldn't get in on Pavlik, Sergio, BHop, JT, PWill, Dzuzunkz (however is spelled). GGG needed to fight children and then whined when nobody wanted to fight him.

GGG drug Rosaso, Stevens, Vanes, and Brook up in weight - refused catchweight for Brook who was moving up T H I R T E E N pounds. Nothing says champ like gruesomely handicapping opponents...

After a half-decade of fighting house arrest cab-drivers who were part-time fighters..Gennady took on Jacobs and Canelo. Those 24 rounds were largely split 12-12 by viewers.

And guess what? Neither Danny Jacobs or Canelo is an ATG MW. They are both good, fun fightere. Canelo has a shot for HOF if he continues his success.

Golovkin at 35 years old - and 40 fights - has 5 opponents that were former champions, are current champions, or went on to become champion. That is horrific by any stretch, in any weight class, during any era. Damn.

Turned down fight with former #1 PFP and 2-time unified champ Andre Ward

Turned down fight with Dervachenko and Andrade to fight a retired part-time JMW fighter coming off a 3-3 stretch after 2 years of inactivity and fighting on a 2 week training camp.

Refused to go to 157 for Canelo or Cotto.

Theres zero impressive about Golovkin. When he stepped up in competition he was glaringly average or just a bit above. Hes been grossly inflated for fighting 35 (of his 40 opponents) who have never and will never be champion in an era with 4+ champions per weight class.

For comparisons sake Floyd and Manny each had 20-30 (or more) of champion opponents. That's what ATG's do..and they won their fights convincingly. Neither Danny or Canelo (as much as I like him) are ATG MW...yet Gennady struggled with both...

One word - hype

Ether

You said it perfectly, bro. The Golovkin fanboys are too ****** to realize it, but they should really stop talking like he has anything remotely close to a good resume.

To me, Golovkin lost to both Jacobs and Canelo, the only two good fighters he fought.

[McNulty]

Brook killed Golovkin's prime?

You're killing people's brain cells when you create ****** threads like this.

I put this clown on ignore. You're better off.

[daggum]

After a half-decade of fighting house arrest cab-drivers who were part-time fighters..Gennady took on Jacobs and Canelo. Those 24 rounds were largely split 12-12 by viewers.


Turned down fight with former #1 PFP and 2-time unified champ Andre Ward

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the rounds were split? what does that even mean..80 percent of people had ggg winning those fights controversial!!!

haha misinformed fanboy who was tricked. please tell me what the offer was....are you going to say he fought lemiuex instead of ward? just what was wards offer. just when did ward want to fight? tell me the date he wanted to fight on. also tell me when was the wbc going to order the fight...now tell me why he would do that? sign a 2 figth deal and preemptively postpone the wbc fight...yeah some offer. it was marketing. all marketing. if ward wanted to fight he would have offered to figth ggg right then and there. why does he need another tune up? its a joke.

[Slicc]

This is the reality of a Trump and Duterte supporter. FOX news much???

When did I mention Trump, Duterte or FOX? What are you going on about?

Golovkin turned pro in his mid-late twenties. That's why he was high risk-low reward. It is HIS fault he couldn't get in on Pavlik, Sergio, BHop, JT, PWill, Dzuzunkz (however is spelled). GGG needed to fight children and then whined when nobody wanted to fight him.

You're acting like GGG's the first fighter to have amateur pedigree. If GGG wanted to fight Pavlik or Taylor, he would've had to go pro around the time they did, so like 2000-2002. GGG probably didn't even know about them at that time, and even if he did, he wouldn't know that they'd be world champs one day. It just so happened that Pavlik couldn't stay at the top level long enough to get GGG in the ring, and Taylor retired before it could happen. Sucks, but that's life. Knocking GGG for going pro late, is like knocking Froch for turning pro at 25, or Lomachenko at 27. That argument is ******, and you've made yourself look ******, by using it.

GGG drug Rosaso, Stevens, Vanes, and Brook up in weight - refused catchweight for Brook who was moving up T H I R T E E N pounds. Nothing says champ like gruesomely handicapping opponents...

Nobody forced Rosado to turn down the catchweight, and nobody forced Brook to take the fight. If you wanna blame someone, blame the middleweights who avoided GGG, especially the wanker who moved up in weight, to get schooled by Groves in the WBSS. GGG would've never fought Martirosyan, if Canelo's dumb ass didn't fail a drug test.

Nothing says boxing fan, like ****riding a fighter, and doing everything you can, to shit on another one... I don't have much respect for Canelo, but I can admit that he's a talented fighter. I've made numerous threads criticizing both GGG and Canelo before.

After a half-decade of fighting house arrest cab-drivers who were part-time fighters..Gennady took on Jacobs and Canelo. Those 24 rounds were largely split 12-12 by viewers.

Jacobs did better than I expected, but Canelo was saved by the judges. You can't get a flashy KO on everyone.

And guess what? Neither Danny Jacobs or Canelo is an ATG MW. They are both good, fun fightere. Canelo has a shot for HOF if he continues his success.

Okay, and when did I ever claim that they were?

Golovkin at 35 years old - and 40 fights - has 5 opponents that were former champions, are current champions, or went on to become champion. That is horrific by any stretch, in any weight class, during any era. Damn.

160 was a weak division, until recently, and he was ducked like fuck.

Maybe if Quillin talked shit without getting KO'd in 1 round, GGG could've had him on his record.

Maybe if Clenelo didn't vacate and hide at 155, GGG could've gotten him on his record.

Maybe if Lee didn't get whooped by Saunders, he would've been on GGG's record.

Maybe if Saunders stopped holding the WBO strap hostage sooner, he'd be on GGG's record.

Maybe if Martinez allowed himself to recover, after blowing out his knees against Chaves Jr, he could've been on GGG's record.

Maybe if Williams didn't fuck up on his motorcycle, he could've been on GGG's record.

Maybe if Euwank Jr grew a pair and stopped letting his daddy run shit, he could've been on GGG's record.

Turned down fight with former #1 PFP and 2-time unified champ Andre Ward

Turned down fight with Dervachenko and Andrade to fight a retired part-time JMW fighter coming off a 3-3 stretch after 2 years of inactivity and fighting on a 2 week training camp.

Refused to go to 157 for Canelo or Cotto.

Boohoo, he didn't wanna fight a guy who disappeared for 2 years, and had to move up to 175 and get a gift decision, to be relevant again. GGG was building his name at 160, and was on the verge of a megafight with Canelo, when Ward came back. What middleweight would wanna fight Ward over Canelo?

Canelo should've laid off the "Mexican meat". I don't know why you brought up Andrade, when that guy's known for pulling out of a fight against CharMell, and moving up to 160, when he had a shot at a world title at 154. I will say that GGG was sus, for dropping the IBF title on Derevy. He obviously did it for a Canelo payday.

Theres zero impressive about Golovkin. When he stepped up in competition he was glaringly average or just a bit above. Hes been grossly inflated for fighting 35 (of his 40 opponents) who have never and will never be champion in an era with 4+ champions per weight class.

GGG fought every middleweight who was willing to step in the ring with him. It's not his fault that things didn't start going his way, until he was in his 30s.

For comparisons sake Floyd and Manny each had 20-30 (or more) of champion opponents. That's what ATG's do..and they won their fights convincingly. Neither Danny or Canelo (as much as I like him) are ATG MW...yet Gennady struggled with both...

One word - hype

Ether

Who compared GGG to Mayweather and Pacquiao? He's obviously not on their level. Scratch that, no active boxer has achieved what they have in their careers. GGG doesn't have to be a Mayweather or Pacquiao, he can just be GGG.

[AKAcronym]

Ward gets to fight 3 guys before Kov while guys expect Golovkin to fight Ward right away or maaybe 1 fight before. That says it all.

[Bjl12]

You're acting like GGG's the first fighter to have amateur pedigree. If GGG wanted to fight Pavlik or Taylor, he would've had to go pro around the time they did, so like 2000-2002.

Its Gennadys fault - and nobody else - for staying amateur into his late 20s. He missed out career defining fights while earning Silver at the Olympics.

GGG probably didn't even know about them at that time, and even if he did, he wouldn't know that they'd be world champs one day. It just so happened that Pavlik couldn't stay at the top level long enough to get GGG in the ring, and Taylor retired before it could happen. Sucks, but that's life.

That's life? No. It's bad decision making. OR it's good decision making if you don't think you can win

Knocking GGG for going pro late, is like knocking Froch for turning pro at 25, or Lomachenko at 27. That argument is ******, and you've made yourself look ******, by using it.

Not at all. Nobody should be waiting until their mid-late 20s to turn pro. If it was a good decision more fighters would do it, but they dont. Because it's a bad decision.

And you've made your dicksucking ways clearer than ever before in defending it :/

Nobody forced Rosado to turn down the catchweight, and nobody forced Brook to take the fight. GGG would've never fought Martirosyan, if Canelo's dumb ass didn't fail a drug test.

This whole thing makes zero sense - coming from a gggroupie it's not surprising.

Ggg passed up on Andrade and Dervenchenko (former/current champions...to fight a heavy bag...or a MEDIUM bag since he was smaller) to fight Vanes. So, NO, it is nobody else's fault - but ggg for fighting Vanes. Dicksucking ways...exposed

Jacobs did better than I expected, but Canelo was saved by the judges. You can't get a flashy KO on everyone.

What? All judges score rounds 1, 2, 10, 11, and 12 for Canelo. 15 out of 15 rounds. Even the guy who somehow gave Gennady the fight...



That's called "evidence". It's used to make people like yourself realize how twisted your perception is..FOX news/Trump/Duterte.

Get help, boy

160 was a weak division, until recently, and he was ducked like fuck.

If you wait until all your threats retire before turning pro...you can sure whine like that

Maybe if Quillin talked shit without getting KO'd in 1 round, GGG could've had him on his record.

Well Quillin probably fought more than 5 champions in 40 fights...so that's what happens when you challenge yourself. Something Gennady knows 0 about..never moving up in weight and never conceding 1 pound...not even for a WELTERWEIGHT.

Maybe if Clenelo didn't vacate and hide at 155, GGG could've gotten him on his record.

So Gennady is allowed to fight at 160 and only 160 and all his opponents must bend to his will. Canelo made 152 for Floyd, 155 for Cotto, etc. But Canelo fighting at WW/JMW and 155 must meet ggg at 160?

Maybe if Saunders stopped holding the WBO strap hostage sooner, he'd be on GGG's record.

Saunders hasn't been fighting Welterweights and retired Junior Middleweights...

Maybe if Martinez allowed himself to recover, after blowing out his knees against Chaves Jr, he could've been on GGG's record.

...or if Gennady was confident enough to turn pro - like 95% of fighters - before they turn 30.. XD XD XD

GGG fought every middleweight who was willing to step in the ring with him.

Except Andrade, Dervenchenko, and Charlo. And he wanted out of this September rematch in a BAD way.

Gonna take an L XD XD XD

[Slicc]

Its Gennadys fault - and nobody else - for staying amateur into his late 20s. He missed out career defining fights while earning Silver at the Olympics.

It was a bad decision, but GGG wound up holding every belt besides the WBO? No, it wasn't a bad decision, you're just grasping for straws, because you hate GGG so much. Get over yourself.

Not at all. Nobody should be waiting until their mid-late 20s to turn pro. If it was a good decision more fighters would do it, but they dont. Because it's a bad decision.

And you've made your dicksucking ways clearer than ever before in defending it :/

I didn't defend it, I was pretty much just saying that GGG made it work for him. It's not something I'd recommend, but dude had nearly all the belts at 160, until recently. I'm a ****-sucker? Okay, so where's your criticism of Canelo? You've deepthroated the guy all over NSB.

Ggg passed up on Andrade and Dervenchenko (former/current champions...to fight a heavy bag...or a MEDIUM bag since he was smaller) to fight Vanes. So, NO, it is nobody else's fault - but ggg for fighting Vanes. Dicksucking ways...exposed

Yeah, because no boxer has ever fought a bum before, right? Andrade's known for pulling out of fights, so GGG was smart to not choose him, when he was looking for someone to fight on short notice. GGG vs Derevy deserves more than a cover up for a botched rematch. Like team GGG said, a fight like that deserves actual buildup. Now, if Triple Sus had kept his word with the IBF, then maybe that could've happened.

What? All judges score rounds 1, 2, 10, 11, and 12 for Canelo. 15 out of 15 rounds. Even the guy who somehow gave Gennady the fight...



That's called "evidence". It's used to make people like yourself realize how twisted your perception is..FOX news/Trump/Duterte.

Evidence for an opinion? Especially Adelaide Byrd's opinion... We've already went through this once. Spare me the confirmation bias. I'm not interested in that discussion anymore.

Well Quillin probably fought more than 5 champions in 40 fights...so that's what happens when you challenge yourself. Something Gennady knows 0 about..never moving up in weight and never conceding 1 pound...not even for a WELTERWEIGHT.

But, Jacobs knocked Quillin out, and GGG beat him. How was Jacobs not a challenge? See, this is what I'm talking about. One moment, GGG avoided challenging himself by not moving up, but the next, he challenged himself, but looked average. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

So Gennady is allowed to fight at 160 and only 160 and all his opponents must bend to his will. Canelo made 152 for Floyd, 155 for Cotto, etc. But Canelo fighting at WW/JMW and 155 must meet ggg at 160?

If you win a middleweight world title, you're a fucking middleweight. No ifs or buts. If Canelo was that afraid of GGG, then maybe he shouldn't have moved up for Cotto in the first place. GGG was Canelo's mandatory, so Canelo was supposed to fight him. Instead, he dropped his belt and ran. If it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, what do you think it is?

Saunders hasn't been fighting Welterweights and retired Junior Middleweights...

Saunders also hasn't been ducked until his mid 30s. Matter of fact, he was the one doing the ducking.

Except Andrade, Dervenchenko, and Charlo. And he wanted out of this September rematch in a BAD way.

Gonna take an L XD XD XD

GGG still has time to fight Derevy. If Derevy beats Jacobs, then he'll have the IBF strap, and GGG wants it back. Andrade's a joker, and Charlo's not going anywhere. It's not like Charlo's gonna vanish for 2 years. GGG can see him in the ring, if Saunders still doesn't want any smoke. If GGG ducks CharMall, then I'll call him out on it, like I did when he ducked Derevy for a payday.

[stealthradon]

Its Gennadys fault - and nobody else - for staying amateur into his late 20s. He missed out career defining fights while earning Silver at the Olympics.

Not at all. Nobody should be waiting until their mid-late 20s to turn pro. If it was a good decision more fighters would do it, but they dont. Because it's a bad decision.

I know this might surprise you, but Kazakhstan isn't really known for their pro boxing circuit, which is why GGG had to fight in Germany.
Here are the age of pro figters in Kazakhstan.
GGG (Olympic Silver Medalist)- 24
Vassily Jirov (Olympic Gold Medalist) - 23
Bakhyt Amanbayev - 27
Vadim Prisyazhnyuk - 22
Beibut Shumenov - 24
Kanat Islam (Olympic Bronze Medalist) - 28
Zhanat Zhakiyanov - 24
Batyrzhan Jukembayev - 24
Vitaliy Demyanenko - 22

So please go on, tell me when GGG should have turned pro.
Before he won the silver in the Olympics?
He should have fought nobodies in Kazakhstan?