Comments Thread For: Joshua: If Wilder Fight Doesn't Happen, I'll Happily Fight Fury

[OldTerry]

I never understood why people are so "high" on Fury. Im sure his skin complexion has a lot to do with it. The same thing with Usyk. Now people are saying that Usyk would "play" with Wilder & Joshua who are HEAVYWEIGHTS because he outworked an untested Gassiev who himself did not have any significant wins but USYK will go up TWO weight classes to "play" with and beat Giants? Delusion runs rampant on this website smh

I disagree with the racial bias comment but the rest of what you say is dead on.

[Reverb]

A shredded physique doesn't mean $#!* in boxing.

Truth. There's a creepy obsession with it lately.
If physique was everything Ken Norton would have been the top of the tree in his era.

[OldTerry]

You are obviously what the comment directly points out...not a fan but a fan girl, not adult-like or grown up. It’s about unfair $$ for a champion (both are) and it should be equitable and until people get that through their thick skulls I’ll go about posting this until it sinks in. Have a nice day

I agree! Someone has to counteract all the baseless dribble.

[Removed Now]

Klitschko was 3 years past his prime against him and should have retired long ago. Extremely accomplished HW but truly hasn’t been competitive for a number of years. To answer your question he landed far less and it was because of Fury he was long past his prime. A prime Klitschko knocks Fury silly and kos him within 5 and you’d never hear the name Fury again

Bs lol, that past prime dropped AJ lol. Give fury his credit.

[Ray*]

A legitimate and fair contract will never be offered to Wilder by the Joshua/Hearn team. They are avoiding Wilder at the expense of Joshua's reputation. I know that Joshua is the UK's golden boy but he ain't the rest of the world's little darling.

If they are avoiding Wilder all Wilder has to do is sign the 15m dollars contract, it’s pretty simple. If someone is ducking me, and I think he would duck me next, I would do exactly that to tie him in. I wouldn’t really care about money at that point to be honest, but if that pay represents 5 times my normal payday then I would not even wait for his fight to be over before I sign it.

[Butch.McRae]

Truth. There's a creepy obsession with it lately.
If physique was everything Ken Norton would have been the top of the tree in his era.

Well Ken did beat (was robbed) Ali everytime they fought But people forget that.

One of those decisions caused a riot lol

But the physique stuff is baseless fanboy behavior

[club fighter]

AJ will "happily" fight anyone except Wilder.

[Calibaloc]

Complexion is 100% a factor here. For some, that's all they see most of the time.

That Usyk Wilder/AJ talk is nonsense until we see more.

However, the Fury talk isn't completely bullcrap imo. The HW division is a wasteland in terms of boxing skill. Sadly Fury, when fit, is more skilled than Wilder and AJ. I think a fit Fury beats Joshua. He'd be a favorite against Wilder too but I think Wilder would catch him and put him away.

And I'm no Tyson Fury fan at all.

Fair enough. I think Fury's boxing skill is pretty good for his size but I can't really tell how good he "really" is because if he was really playing with Klitsko as he says, why didn't he put him away? why didn't he even knock him down once. Kiltscko's chin isn't the best so if he was as dominant as he and his fans say, where was the exclamation point? We already know he's mentally weak so I guess I just don't see the fascination with him. Would he even beat Povetkin?

[Redgloveman]

No it’s not and not even close.

You mean it's not Wilder's highest pay day to date? It is, and by a substantial distance. This isn't an arguable point, it's a fact.

No one in their right mind no matter how much more a payday is would sign such a one sided contract as a champion

Wilder and co agreed the price verbally before AJ and Hearn slipped away and signed to fight Povetkin, so unless you're saying that he wasn't in his right mind at the time, the fee can't be THAT unreasonable - even allowing for the fact that you'll come back with "But that was if the Joshua fight was next".

given the fact the fight would generate in excess of 100 million.

Again, you've decided that the fight would be worth over $100,000,000 without any basis in fact, which is throwing your conclusion out of whack. It's hard to come up with good conclusions when you base them on a defective premise, that's fundamental logic.

I'm not saying that the fight can't or won't generate that much, but you have to substantiate what you say with some evidence if your point is going to be convincing. I don't mean to sound patronising but it's just true.

So please save us the simple math garbage. Adults come to the table between two champions and render contracts under equitable terms

Contracts (almost by definition) aren't even and "equitable" - they represent the relative bargaining powers of the parties involved. Wilder is very clearly the B-side in this fight (this is clear from even a cursory glance at the revenues and attendances of their fights) and the contract will reflect that. But even if the contract is manifestly unfair against Wilder, the keys to the Kingdom are dangling in front of him and I find it irritating that he doesn't just reach out and take them. That's what you'd want from a guy bidding to be the "baddest man on the planet"

Wilder gets the career high payday PLUS the opportunity to cement himself at the top of the division and become one of the most lucrative and marketable names in world sports. Yes, he should be offered a percentage but if he isn't then he'd be better off doing his best to make the fight rather than just hoping that Joshua loses at some point. He set his sights on Joshua, that's good. He should do everything he can to get him in the ring. He says that his team have done that, but they evidently haven't.

[angkag]

this would be ideally what hearn wants....

he can talk about fury and miller or whyte rematches all he wants

but...he aint getting away with that next two years! the boxing world/media will not let him

eventually the pressure became too much on canelo to put of golovkin...and even the pressure made them cave financially to golovkin in a rematch

wilder will get close to 50 percent and aj will be shamed into fighting him sooner rather than later

You can't compare with Canelo though as Canelo couldn't earn anywhere near what he could make for a Golovkin fight - he would have to fight 7 or 8 Smiths to get the same amount

Joshua can cash in with every outing. Canelo needed Golovkin, Joshua doesn't need Wilder.

Sad fact is the paying public that fills the stadiums won't give him a hard time about not fighting Wilder as most have never heard of him, especially if we end up with a 2 year countdown to Fury, as Hearn will sell that heavily as Joshua going for the REAL champ.

And a Fury fight will pay a heap more than a Wilder fight too. Again, Joshua doesn't need Wilder to fill the coffers.

edit: Best move Wilder could make would be to set up home in the UK for a while and beat the likes of Whye and Chisora in spectacular fashion - then the UK public will wake up to who he is, and THEN they would be baying for Joshua to take him on.