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Originally posted by Ray* View PostIf they are avoiding Wilder all Wilder has to do is sign the 15m dollars contract, it’s pretty simple. If someone is ducking me, and I think he would duck me next, I would do exactly that to tie him in. I wouldn’t really care about money at that point to be honest, but if that pay represents 5 times my normal payday then I would not even wait for his fight to be over before I sign it.
If Wilder signs now he gets:
If Joshua loses against Povetkin
$15m and a fight in front of 100,000 at Wembley stadium. Joshua's fans won't desert him, and they'll get behind a transatlantic HW match which has been building into a grudge match. 100,000 tickets will sell EASILY. This would not only be a career highest payday but a huge, career boosting event.
If Joshua wins against Povetkin
All the above, but increase the size of the event to a history making HW unification. Wilder's profile and earnings would increase massively even if he were to lose, not to mention the career high $15m payday for the fight.
PLUS
a chance to be the amongst most marketable names in sport... globally. a chance to be a fucking human money printing machine.
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I get it, he wants a percentage. That's very understandable. But he's risking missing out on all of the above by holding out for Hearn to be decent... Hearn isn't going to be decent and the balance of power isn't going to shift anytime soon unless he beats Joshua, so he should stop waiting.
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Originally posted by Redgloveman View PostYou mean it's not Wilder's highest pay day to date? It is, and by a substantial distance. This isn't an arguable point, it's a fact.
Wilder and co agreed the price verbally before AJ and Hearn slipped away and signed to fight Povetkin, so unless you're saying that he wasn't in his right mind at the time, the fee can't be THAT unreasonable - even allowing for the fact that you'll come back with "But that was if the Joshua fight was next".
Again, you've decided that the fight would be worth over $100,000,000 without any basis in fact, which is throwing your conclusion out of whack. It's hard to come up with good conclusions when you base them on a defective premise, that's fundamental logic.
I'm not saying that the fight can't or won't generate that much, but you have to substantiate what you say with some evidence if your point is going to be convincing. I don't mean to sound patronising but it's just true.
Contracts (almost by definition) aren't even and "equitable" - they represent the relative bargaining powers of the parties involved. Wilder is very clearly the B-side in this fight (this is clear from even a cursory glance at the revenues and attendances of their fights) and the contract will reflect that. But even if the contract is manifestly unfair against Wilder, the keys to the Kingdom are dangling in front of him and I find it irritating that he doesn't just reach out and take them. That's what you'd want from a guy bidding to be the "baddest man on the planet"
Wilder gets the career high payday PLUS the opportunity to cement himself at the top of the division and become one of the most lucrative and marketable names in world sports. Yes, he should be offered a percentage but if he isn't then he'd be better off doing his best to make the fight rather than just hoping that Joshua loses at some point. He set his sights on Joshua, that's good. He should do everything he can to get him in the ring. He says that his team have done that, but they evidently haven't.
But seriously, I'm guilty of posting too much here too lol Helps the day go by
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Originally posted by Redgloveman View PostAbsolutely my thoughts.
If Wilder signs now he gets:
If Joshua loses against Povetkin
$15m and a fight in front of 100,000 at Wembley stadium. Joshua's fans won't desert him, and they'll get behind a transatlantic HW match which has been building into a grudge match. 100,000 tickets will sell EASILY. This would not only be a career highest payday but a huge, career boosting event.
If Joshua wins against Povetkin
All the above, but increase the size of the event to a history making HW unification. Wilder's profile and earnings would increase massively even if he were to lose, not to mention the career high $15m payday for the fight.
PLUS
a chance to be the amongst most marketable names in sport... globally. a chance to be a fucking human money printing machine.
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I get it, he wants a percentage. That's very understandable. But he's risking missing out on all of the above by holding out for Hearn to be decent... Hearn isn't going to be decent and the balance of power isn't going to shift anytime soon unless he beats Joshua, so he should stop waiting.
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Wilder is back to the 50/50 b-side duck move, so Fury probably does make the most sense next.
I guess Wilder will fight for $2 mil on Showtime.
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Originally posted by Butch.McRae View PostWell Ken did beat (was robbed) Ali everytime they fought But people forget that.
One of those decisions caused a riot lol
But the physique stuff is baseless fanboy behaviorLast edited by Reverb; 07-23-2018, 01:38 PM.
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Originally posted by angkag View PostYou can't compare with Canelo though as Canelo couldn't earn anywhere near what he could make for a Golovkin fight - he would have to fight 7 or 8 Smiths to get the same amount
Joshua can cash in with every outing. Canelo needed Golovkin, Joshua doesn't need Wilder.
Sad fact is the paying public that fills the stadiums won't give him a hard time about not fighting Wilder as most have never heard of him, especially if we end up with a 2 year countdown to Fury, as Hearn will sell that heavily as Joshua going for the REAL champ.
And a Fury fight will pay a heap more than a Wilder fight too. Again, Joshua doesn't need Wilder to fill the coffers.
edit: Best move Wilder could make would be to set up home in the UK for a while and beat the likes of Whye and Chisora in spectacular fashion - then the UK public will wake up to who he is, and THEN they would be baying for Joshua to take him on.
and the british public know damn well who wilder is
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