Comments Thread For: Wilder: Eddie Hearn is Not a Guy That You Can Trust

[Fabes88]

didnt conor mc gregor go from making 3m to close to 100m. size and magnitude of an event makes the money and wilder deserves his payday only an idiot would think otherwise

McGregor was a proven ppv Draw and brought fans from another sport with him. Are you honestly comparing McGregor and wilder in terms of drawing power?

[filup79]

Translation: It's all about the money for me. F#k the titles. I lied.

Seem likes its all about the money for AJ and Hearn as well. Why won't AJ ask Hearn to give him a percentage and take a pay cut to make the fight? He was willing turn down the 50 million offered to take less money and make the fight in the UK. OR all these just excuses to not make the fight?

[yammy25]

im neither british or american, im coming at it from a fairly objective point of view and regardless of what AJ fans feel i think Wilder has enough right to demand what he is worth. i like both fighters but truth is people believe anything that comes out of Hearn's mouth and in reality its all garbage hes just trying to sway public opinion and he seems to be pretty successful at doing so.

And what Im saying is what Wilders worth is not what he or his backers like to think it is.

Be that in a popularity, financial, historic or any way feasible sense.
That fight doesnt do $100,000,000 in the states for a variety of reasons id be happy to argue my points on.. so lets say it does 70,000,000. minus AJ's 50. that leaves a 50/50 split on all extra revenue, meaning aj gets another 10, and wilder is left with what exactly? 10...

so unless he was getting another 6 million guaranteed from somewhere, then he is no worse off taking eddies offer because if he wins he becomes automatic A-side in an american rematch. If he won in the states... thats it, there was no rematch in that 50 million offer for either side. If he loses in the UK, so what ? made the same money.

Ive been asking for someone to give me a legitimate breakdown of how the fight makes 100,000,000 dollars but noone can or will. he isnt worth what youre saying he is or what he himself says he is, and i'll gladly debate why thats the case

[yammy25]

Seem likes its all about the money for AJ and Hearn as well. Why won't AJ ask Hearn to give him a percentage and take a pay cut to make the fight? He was willing turn down the 50 million offered to take less money and make the fight in the UK. OR all these just excuses to not make the fight?

Can you tell me how much deontay wilder was going to get if AJ asccepted the 50 million ?

I mean.. concrete evidence on how much that fight is worth that wouldnt crumble to a myriad of different points already public knowledge?

Because unless that fight does over 75/80 million dollars in the US, then wilder wouldnt make any more than what hes being offered now.

by all means, please tell me with accuracy and not opinion how the AJ / WILDER fight makes over 80 million in the US and wilder gets substantially more than whats being offered to him

[allen23]

And what Im saying is what Wilders worth is not what he or his backers like to think it is.

Be that in a popularity, financial, historic or any way feasible sense.
That fight doesnt do $100,000,000 in the states for a variety of reasons id be happy to argue my points on.. so lets say it does 70,000,000. minus AJ's 50. that leaves a 50/50 split on all extra revenue, meaning aj gets another 10, and wilder is left with what exactly? 10...

so unless he was getting another 6 million guaranteed from somewhere, then he is no worse off taking eddies offer because if he wins he becomes automatic A-side in an american rematch. If he won in the states... thats it, there was no rematch in that 50 million offer for either side. If he loses in the UK, so what ? made the same money.

Ive been asking for someone to give me a legitimate breakdown of how the fight makes 100,000,000 dollars but noone can or will. he isnt worth what youre saying he is or what he himself says he is, and i'll gladly debate why thats the case

the fight makes a lot more money in the US even hearn was willing to admit that. i agree that his previous numbers are not blockbuster far from it but heres the thing
hes the longest reigning heavyweight champ
he has the longest unbeaten run
the best ko ratio im presuming in the history of heavyweight boxing (i think lol)
and the all important wbc belt is in his grasp

is that not enough to warrant a fair share of the pie considering his accolades far outweigh AJ's at this point in his career considering AJ got handed all those belts it was Fury that dethroned the king

[allen23]

Can you tell me how much deontay wilder was going to get if AJ asccepted the 50 million ?

I mean.. concrete evidence on how much that fight is worth that wouldnt crumble to a myriad of different points already public knowledge?

Because unless that fight does over 75/80 million dollars in the US, then wilder wouldnt make any more than what hes being offered now.

by all means, please tell me with accuracy and not opinion how the AJ / WILDER fight makes over 80 million in the US and wilder gets substantially more than whats being offered to him

and get off your pedestal asking for concrete evidence when half of your argument comes from hearn

p.s 50m was half of the revenue, are u dis*****g that the fight will generate a lot more money in the US?

[filup79]

AJ might have 3 of the 4 big titles but that doesn't matter. It's who you beat for the titles that matter. AJ was gifted the IBF against the weakest champ in history in Martin. He won a vacant WBA title that Klitch begged the WBA to put on the line, keep in mind Klitch was coming off a year layoff and had lost to the real champ in Fury. Then won the WBO title against Parker, the same Parker who won a vacant title and wanted to part of Wilder when he volunteered to step in for Fury. Indongo was a unified champ at 140 but it was proven that he wasnt much after getting KOd by Bud and Prograis.

[Bronx2245]

Wait a minute- AJ sent a counter offer which Wilder agreed to the terms and then didn’t sign... why are you even still talking about the $50 million? It’s irrelevant.

$50 Million is a number that's ALWAYS relevant! That's a historic duck! You can't name one heavyweight fighter that ever turned down $50 million dollars!

[Bronx2245]

The whole point is that the flat fee offer was probably the least important thing that happened in that entire saga. It wasn't during any of the numerous attempts that were made to negotiate with Arum and Pacquiao that it was even offered. It was during a happenstance interaction over the phone. Manny Pacquiao turned down the 50-50 deal over drug testing. That is the most significant and important thing that happened during the entire process. Almost more important than the fight itself. Yet people sweep that under the rug and pretend that it was Mayweather's off the cuff flat fee offer over the phone that caused that fight to stall. You being a Mayweather fan makes it even worse because you're picking up that same tired line that his haters used back then about the flat fee offer just because it suits your argument to support Deontay Wilder and his new self promotion strategy.

"Manny Pacquiao turned down the 50-50 deal over drug testing. That is the most significant and important thing that happened during the entire process."

I feel you, and that's why he got 40% later on! But he didn't fight for the flat-fee! Wilder looks like a fool because he accepted it, and still didn't get the fight!

[yammy25]

the fight makes a lot more money in the US even hearn was willing to admit that. i agree that his previous numbers are not blockbuster far from it but heres the thing
hes the longest reigning heavyweight champ
he has the longest unbeaten run
the best ko ratio im presuming in the history of heavyweight boxing (i think lol)
and the all important wbc belt is in his grasp

is that not enough to warrant a fair share of the pie considering his accolades far outweigh AJ's at this point in his career considering AJ got handed all those belts it was Fury that dethroned the king

Longest running and has faced only one opponent that has been deemed worthy of being called decent since his tenure began. Do i need to get the list of where deontays opponents have been ranked when he's fought them to make that official? Bermane stiverne was ranked 4th when he beat him for the title, at the weakest point in the HW division for decades. He then didnt fight another #10 ranked opponent until ortiz. two fights.. in 40.

best KO ratio until AJ failed to knock out a granite Takam on two weeks notice and a Parker that'll probably never be knocked out in his career, but if we're arguing symantics, wilders 98% is better than AJ's 90% .

The all important WBC belt, of which historically has commanded the highest purses when fought for solely, yet since wilder won hasnt featured a single highest purse in the HW division. The fighter makes the belt, not the other way round and certainly not in terms of finances.

Hearn has never said it makes far more money, he said it makes slightly more and nobody has disputed the fact. but lets break it down so it makes sense..

gate revenue for Canelo vs GGG was 27 million USD, second is may/mac.. first is may/pac.

If you think, that a fight in Vegas, between two fighters who have never sold headlined or even fought in Vegas before makes over 20,000,000 USD in gate then i cannot help you. You want the T-Mobile arena to sell these two at an average 1000 USD ticket price? Are you mad? you realise how many of the 20,000 at a reasonable price would be travelling brits who are used to an average £100/150 GBP ticket price to see AJ?

Brits wont pay travel fees, and £1000 a ticket to see anthony joshua in vegas when weve all been used to paying a fifth of that to see him in our home stadium. Think economics!! because without it any fight becomes a pipedream.

Then you have PPV.. you're going to need a minimum 700,000 buys for two guys who have never fought US PPV in a division that currently isnt very popular amongst the vast majority of the buying fan, the casual, at $80 USD AND the above mentioned Gate revenue to make just over 70 million dollars for that fight. not counting international TV rights etc etc of which AJ would purportedly get 50% of, so lets call it $85 million USD all in with a PPV buyrate that simply wont happen.

85 million - 50 for AJ. minus 17.5 for AJ leaves wilder with 17.5 million USD and no rematch win or lose.

remebering thats with the buyrate that'll never happen.
But yeah... Wilders getting proper lowballed doe.