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  • Illmatic94
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    Even the Brits admit Wilder has the most Prestigious belt



    Benson is from UK and followers are mostly Brits. they know what time it is. but Wilder doesn't deserve a % split? lol.
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    #2
    Originally posted by Illmatic94


    Benson is from UK and followers are mostly Brits. they know what time it is. but Wilder doesn't deserve a % split? lol.
    Hearn himself, many many times, for years, has said the WBC is the most coveted belt.

    If you actually follow the history of the sport, the WBC is the real world title. The IBF & WBO are splinter groups of the WBA, and you need to unify the WBA, IBF & WBO titles just to be the equivalent of the WBA champions of the past. So even those three belts unified still doesn't carry the historical significance of the WBC, because the WBC was much more highly regarded than the WBA even before the WBA split into three.

    As for why the WBC holds even more prestige in the UK, it's pretty simple. The BBBoC is considered the one and only true British title. The EBU is considered the one and only true European title.

    The EBU & BBBoC are the founders of the WBC and consider the WBC the only true world title.

    What did an incredible amount of damage to the sport though was Frank Warren in the 90s building his entire business around fake world title fights with the WBO back when the WBO meant absolutely nothing anywhere else. The UK broadcasters were complicit and for a while the UK had a monopoly on the WBO as the WBO was a laughing stock everywhere else.

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      Why is the WBC the most prestigious???..fact of the matter is they need to fight to create a true champ point blank period

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        #4
        Originally posted by larryxxx..
        Why is the WBC the most prestigious???..fact of the matter is they need to fight to create a true champ point blank period
        I just explained it in my post.

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          Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
          Hearn himself, many many times, for years, has said the WBC is the most coveted belt.

          If you actually follow the history of the sport, the WBC is the real world title. The IBF & WBO are splinter groups of the WBA, and you need to unify the WBA, IBF & WBO titles just to be the equivalent of the WBA champions of the past. So even those three belts unified still doesn't carry the historical significance of the WBC, because the WBC was much more highly regarded than the WBA even before the WBA split into three.

          As for why the WBC holds even more prestige in the UK, it's pretty simple. The BBBoC is considered the one and only true British title. The EBU is considered the one and only true European title.

          The EBU & BBBoC are the founders of the WBC and consider the WBC the only true world title.

          What did an incredible amount of damage to the sport though was Frank Warren in the 90s building his entire business around fake world title fights with the WBO back when the WBO meant absolutely nothing anywhere else. The UK broadcasters were complicit and for a while the UK had a monopoly on the WBO as the WBO was a laughing stock everywhere else.
          WBA is the oldest title belt so why is the WBC the most coveted?

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            #6
            Originally posted by larryxxx..
            WBA is the oldest title belt so why is the WBC the most coveted?
            WBA is older by a few months, but "WBA" and "WBC" were really just fresh coats of paint on already existing titles and the WBC's lineage traces back much further and to much more important belts.

            The WBA was a reboot of the NBA, which originally was just a few smaller US states who didn't like that New York controlled the world title. So they banded together to create a rival title. But the NBA title never achieved the recognition that the NYSAC title did. The NYSAC was considered the real belt of the two.

            But even predating the NYSAC was the IBU, out of Europe, which goes all the way back to the early 1900s. The IBU is the oldest world title that still lives on today in some form. Eventually the IBU accepted that the NYSAC belt is what had the most recognition, so the IBU stopped sanctioning "world titles" and rebooted as the EBU, focusing on European titles.

            When the WBC was formed by the EBU (which was really the IBU tracing back to 1910), the BBBoC, and all of the major boxing countries of the world, it was actually the world coming together for the first time ever to try to recognize one world champion. This was done as a response to the NBA trying to expand as the WBA.

            But the NYSAC was still the most respected belt. So it was critical for the WBC's acceptance when the NYSAC agreed to join the EBU, BBBoC, and commissions from all over the world to unify and recognize one true world champion, the WBC champion.

            The WBC champion of today has the historical recognition that traces all the way back to the NYSAC and IBU titles that were the real world titles of boxing over a century ago.

            The WBA, IBF or WBO champion of today holds one third of the lesser regarded title that simply made you the champion of a few US states that were mad that NY controlled the world title.

            Even if you wanted to make the case that the WBC & WBA were equal in the 60s, that would still mean a unifed WBA/IBF/WBO champion would hold 50% of the world title while the WBC champion holds the other 50%. But even that is being genersou to the WBA/IBF/WBO because the WBC title merged the NYSAC & IBU titles, which were more widely recognized than the NBA.

            So if we're being honest, that would mean the WBC champion has two thirds of the lineage, while a WBA, IBF or WBO champion only has one third of the remaining third.

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              The champion makes the belt. The belt doesn't make the champion.

              WBC have lost all credibility in recent years. Adonis Stevenson has only made 3 defences in 3 years. 2 of them didn't even deserve a shot.

              Wilder has been fed PBC fighters and has been allowed to swerve Whyte. They're a corrupt organisation allowing their fighters to hold the belt hostage.

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                #8
                Originally posted by EnglishOxide
                WBC have lost all credibility in recent years. Adonis Stevenson has only made 3 defences in 3 years. 2 of them didn't even deserve a shot.
                Not his fault that Kovalev blatantly ducked him and vacated his mandatory position.


                Wilder has been fed PBC fighters and has been allowed to swerve Whyte.
                Whyte wasn't swerved. You were swerved by Hearn. Big difference. Sorry Hearn lied to you about Whyte being mandatory. Anybody could have googled Whyte and seen he'd never fought a final eliminator.

                When asked to fight a final eliminator, Whyte ducked it.

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                  Wilder is a paper champion

                  Belts mean nothing,
                  Wilder being handed a belt by fighting non stop bums by his team doesn’t make him a champion

                  Wilder avoiding to fight aj by not signing does not make him a champion

                  In the eyes of most, wilder is fake

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Boxingfan8888
                    Wilder is a paper champion
                    Wilder beat the #2 fighter in the world for his title. AJ beat the #9 fighter in the world for his title.

                    Wilder's title has the longest lineage. AJ's titles were all vacated by Fury.


                    Belts mean nothing,
                    Thank you for your opinion. Unfortunately, the entire sport revolves around the belts. So they only mean nothing in the sense that life means nothing, but in the sport of boxing, the belts mean everything.


                    Wilder being handed a belt by fighting non stop bums by his team doesn’t make him a champion
                    You're rewriting history. AJ was handed a belt by fighting a bum. Wilder earned his belt by fighting the #2 guy in the division.


                    Wilder avoiding to fight aj by not signing does not make him a champion
                    AJ's promoter refused to allow Wilder to fight AJ next. That's not Wilder's fault.

                    AJ asked for 50 million and was given 50 million, but still ducked the fight.

                    50 million would be the highest purse in heavyweight history.

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