If Povetkin wins...

[Luilun]

... If Povetkin wins, it doesn't necessary mean that Wilder loses a big payday... Wilder may fight Povetkin in Moscow or even in Las Vegas... or Wilder may fight AJ at the Wembley Stadium...

If Wilder fights Povtkin in Moscow you know he will be on steroids with bogus testing

[Just looking]

they wont be able to freeze wilder out....the only other fight they could viably make without backlash is fury if fury somehow fought a good opponent next and looked good

the media will trash AJ if he doesnt fight wilder in april....you guys might think you fanbase will continue to support AJ and weak fights ...and they might...but there will be public backlash/pressure from the boxing media

its not much of a different situation than canelo/ggg....same type of stuff...canelo the cashcow...younger guy not really in a rush and wanted to do it on his time....eventually the public pressure became too much...

youd need fury to get better/look good in a hurry...and even after that youd have to fight wilder

AJ wont be able to freeze wilder out without reprecussions

British media is very biased towards Joshua. It will take a long time for them to start pressuring him

[sicko]

The Common Man working a 9 to 5 telling Wilder "He Makes Nothing..." and "He Needs A Big Payday"


Wilder is already a Millionaire, even if he never gets the AJ fight he will still live better than YOU, ME and most of us on this forum COMBINED from making "Little $2-3 Million" or whatever to fight Breazeale or whoever in the US.

SO if Povetkin wins, AJ will look bad, it will have NOTHING to do with Wilder!

[Just looking]

Why would you care how much Wilder is getting? If you want to care about money, think on the 30millions Joshua would lose then

[Scipio2009]

I'd be LMAO if Deontay would still want a big paycheck with Joshua,
and not with Povetkin.
AJ would surely want a rematch with Alexander.
What would happen with Wilder then?
It would take at least a year to see AJ makes a comeback victory with Pov, if ever.
Where will Deontay even make $3 mil with?

If Povetkin wins, Deontay Wilder is back on his flight to Russia (not really Rocky IV, but there is beef between the two countries, and both can fight), where he gets his shot to become undisputed heavyweight champion of the world (mandatory defenses don't come with rematches anyway).

Wilder wins that fight, becomes undisputed champion, and heads home to Alabama for a fight (doubt if they let him stage his fight at the home of Alabama football, but who knows), before cycling through the mandatories.

If Anthony Joshua becomes a mandatory, he'll get on that plane and fly to Las Vegas for the fight (that $50m against 50% is long gone, but Wilder and his camp likely understand that the mandatory percentage won't be enough; 65/35 Wilder split of everything (with that also holding as the price for any swaps; ie Sky Germany is the high offer, but Joshua has the deal with RTL; 65% of whatever the Sky Germany offer was comes out of whatever the offer was from RTL, with Hearn/Joshua keeping the balance)

[Scipio2009]

AJ would make at least another $30 mil minimum in the Pov fight, win or lose.
Deontay would be lucky to make $2 mil in the Breazeale fight.
Bottom line is AJ would be better off financially 20x over compared to the undeserving Klitsch ducker.

Seems to me gaining titles is no longer relevant in these forums.
So let's just talk about fighters' worth in $$$$$.
This is what interests fans nowadays, first and foremost.
Fk titles.

Deontay Wilder made at least a 2. 5 million dollar purse for the Ortiz fight, so we can dismiss that lie. With the rating that the Ortiz fight drew, it wouldn't shock me to see the Breazeale fight, if next, on primetime CBS, with Wilder on CBS or PPV from the next fight on.

Anthony Joshua may get $30m for the Povetkin fight; the problem is that he's likely going to see that same $30m-$35m a fight for the rest of his run, with the purses never getting bigger than that.

Deontay Wilder is starting where he's starting, but he's got the pieces in place. Tyson didn't fight a killer every time out, but once the ball was rolling it didn't matter.

[Scipio2009]

You dont make TWO contracts at a time anyway , dont you SEE how ridiculous Wilder is NOW ????

Wilder would just demand insanity and Hearn would be stuck to a fight on contract with a lunatic demanding 50% which he was doing then as hes doing now !

... Eddie Hearn just offered Wilder two contracts at a time, less than days ago, lol. Fight this guy this fall, and then you have the AJ fight in April.

How is this situation different from fighting Whyte and then fighting Joshua in the fight after?

[MDPopescu]

If Wilder fights Povtkin in Moscow you know he will be on steroids with bogus testing

... OK...
... But the funny thing is that BoxRec has Povetkin as "VADA CBP enrolled", while the same BoxRec doesn't have AJ as "enrolled"...

[Scipio2009]

This was a really ****** move for Wilder. If Povetkin wins then Wilder loses a big payday. If AJ wins then Wilder is the B side for sure. They didn't think this through.

Floyd took it in the rear to get the signature win against Oscar and then could dictate terms. IMO that's what Wilder needed to do.

I'm not so sure.

Povetkin-Wilder in Moscow, to unify all of the belts is still a monster fight, and there likely won't be the flat fee junk either. Matinee on Showtime (likely between 2pm and 4pm EST), with the Russia fight lining up in primetime for Germany/France/UK/Africa/Middle East, seeing a near 50-50 for Wilder again flying to Moscow isn't unheard of. How close that gets to $15m will come down to the work that the two camps can do together.

And, if Joshua wins, the IBF belt is next in the rotation, and the money behind Kubrat Pulev (the likely mandatory challenger) has been doubling what Hearn has been willing to put down to get their man a major fight in Bulgaria. Who knows how much money they're working with (or where the money is coming from, tbh), but if Hearn/Joshua don't sweeten the deal to Wilder, the smokescreen vanishes, and it'll be a battle of wallets between Hearn (a rather shrewed operator who minds the money) and a Bulgarian backer who doesn't seem to care about money.

Is Anthony Joshua really ready to fight in Bulgaria over not offering Wilder something between 60/40 and 50/50 of everything to fight at Wembley? And though the IBF are sticklers for their rules, I'd imagine that an exception for an immediate rematch would be possible were it to be warranted.

Whomever wins out would then have to deal with the rotation, Pulev first for the IBF, Ortiz-TBA winner for the WBC, Charr-Oquendo winner for the WBA, and likely Whyte/Parker/Usyk-Gassiev winner/Fury for the WBO

[Scipio2009]

British media is very biased towards Joshua. It will take a long time for them to start pressuring him

Anthony Joshua has the chance to be a global superstar, and he's going to need more than the British press to do that.

Maybe the German press don't push him, but most other press outfits will ask the question of why the Wilder fight isn't happening, especially the North American press.

Only way it takes a long time is if Anthony Joshua resigns himself to just being a British/European superstar.