The Point Everyone Misses on Wilder V Joshua

[yammy25]

You're being ridiculous. Whether the fight is next or not is obviously going to impact whether Wilder is going to accept the deal or not. You're asking him to take a low ball flat fee, and go to the UK, and not even know when the fight is going to be, and sign before even knowing if the fight is going to be next or after an interim fight. When you start to ask that much, it's pretty clear you just don't want the fight.

Is that why Hearn stated today that after he sent the contracts he messaged finkel again stating he was working on date and venue?

Finkel.. according to hearn, replied with OK, but can you guarantee we are Joshuas next fight, to which hearn stated categorically they were.

This was before finkel then stated he had comments about that very issue, and would take 5 days to put those to hearn.

Now youre going to go on and on about hearn being a liar and a manipulator etc etc.. without even watching his interview for yourself.. But we all know finkel calls bull**** with proof when hes the victim of it. So if this isnt true then i expect finkel to come and say something to that effect. If he doesnt.. you can ****in eat some crow.

[Curt Henning]

brits are in denial....its sad...they are shameless

[Sid-Knee]

brits are in denial....its sad...they are shameless

Don't worry, you've got Wilder fighting another bum to look forward to. It will be great watching his usual struggle. Haha.

[N/A]

Now youre going to go on and on about hearn being a liar and a manipulator etc etc.. without even watching his interview for yourself.

I watch every single Hearn interview. Have for years. He's one of the best in the world at his job and I've learned a ton from him.

But if he's lying about what day he sent the contract, and Finkel is telling the truth about getting it after the weekend and not before, that would mean the supposed "delay" Hearn is blaming on Finkel is actually Hearn's fault, not Finkel's.

If you choose to believe Hearn, so be it. I find Finkel's story more believable because it's more logical. Finkel benefits the most from this fight happening ASAP. Hearn benefits the least from this fight happening ASAP. So it's more likely that Hearn would be stalling than Finkel would be. Common sense.

[Just looking]

The main point that everyone keeps missing in this so called negotiation. Wilder is advised by some of the smartest men in boxing that have made some of the biggest fights in history. There is no way Haymon and Finkel advised Wilder to take either of Hearn's ****ty offers for a fight of this magnitude. But Wilder made it clear I will shallow a lot crap to make it happen and Haymon and Finkle said ok we will get it done.

Look to the other side and its different. Hearn is just doing what he supposed to do to protect his investment. He is a slimy boxing promoter looking to make as much money as possible as quickly as he can before AJ gets beat. I don't fault him for doing what promoters do. This is all on Anthony Joshua. If he truly believed he could beat Wilder he would be begging to get the fight done. I used to be a fan but he has already admitted out of his own mouth the he fears losing a fight and all that comes with that.

So blame fast Eddie all you want but this is all on AJ

I didn't miss this point. Actually, my last comment was about it

[Just looking]

**** man, these fanboys must be getting paid for all this damage control. How fast they stormed in and started to pollute this thread is just incredible

[yammy25]

I watch every single Hearn interview. Have for years. He's one of the best in the world at his job and I've learned a ton from him.

But if he's lying about what day he sent the contract, and Finkel is telling the truth about getting it after the weekend and not before, that would mean the supposed "delay" Hearn is blaming on Finkel is actually Hearn's fault, not Finkel's.

If you choose to believe Hearn, so be it. I find Finkel's story more believable because it's more logical. Finkel benefits the most from this fight happening ASAP. Hearn benefits the least from this fight happening ASAP. So it's more likely that Hearn would be stalling than Finkel would be. Common sense.

you dont get to call your beliefs common sense.. when there is such a large divide between opposing parties that doesnt form the basis of common sense.

Hearn sent the contract.. he stated before finkel even said he had comments that he was working on a date and venue.

he has stated that before finkel even stated he had comments to ESPN, that he had asked and been assured by Hearn that whilst a date and venue was being planned and not in concrete but that wilder was next. Finkel was fine with this.

He then stated he had comments, of which a date and venue, which he ALREADY KNEW WAS IN PLANNING was one.. that a wilder rematch is the other is undisclosed. He stated he had comments on a monday... that he would send the contract back UNSIGNED.. with those comments on FRIDAY

Why wait 5 days to send back an unsigned contract with comments you knew you had 5 days earlier?

[Madison Boxing]

problem is wilder and others have acted like its 2 equals coming to the table, its not. joshua sells out stadiums against whoever he fights. if wilder is too hard to deal with then he'll fight povetkin and they will get the deal done nice and quick. he'll do great numbers where as wilder has no back up plan that will bring him in money. thats the difference between the two of them. people are overestimating wilders ability and resume aswell, hes not some amazing fighter that joshua is refusing to fight, hes probably a far easier opponent than wlad was, who could also punch hard but had a boxing brain with it. wilders cv is paper thin and lets face it his standingis elevated cause hes american and has an 0. just like fighters are in other divisions who ahvent beaten great opposition

[boliodogs]

The main point that everyone keeps missing in this so called negotiation. Wilder is advised by some of the smartest men in boxing that have made some of the biggest fights in history. There is no way Haymon and Finkel advised Wilder to take either of Hearn's ****ty offers for a fight of this magnitude. But Wilder made it clear I will shallow a lot crap to make it happen and Haymon and Finkle said ok we will get it done.

Look to the other side and its different. Hearn is just doing what he supposed to do to protect his investment. He is a slimy boxing promoter looking to make as much money as possible as quickly as he can before AJ gets beat. I don't fault him for doing what promoters do. This is all on Anthony Joshua. If he truly believed he could beat Wilder he would be begging to get the fight done. I used to be a fan but he has already admitted out of his own mouth the he fears losing a fight and all that comes with that.

So blame fast Eddie all you want but this is all on AJ

I don't blame Hearn or AJ. I blame Wilder for refusing to sign a contract to fight without saying why he refused to sign it. Until I read what was in the contract that was so bad Wilder could not sign it I am not blaming team AJ because they made an offer to Wilder to fight. If there was something in that contract that was unfair then Wilder needs to tell the world what is was in plain English if he can. Just giving team AJ a good cussing out and saying what cowards they are explains nothing. Wilder had a contract in front of him and if he signs it the fight is on. He refused to sign it but gives no specific reason why he won't sign it. Was the pay too low? Then say so and say how much you were supposed to get paid. Whatever the reason for not signing explain it. Nobody can read Wilder's mind. Until I hear a reason Wilder refused to sign I blame Wilder.

[Jubei]

The main point that everyone keeps missing in this so called negotiation. Wilder is advised by some of the smartest men in boxing that have made some of the biggest fights in history. There is no way Haymon and Finkel advised Wilder to take either of Hearn's ****ty offers for a fight of this magnitude. But Wilder made it clear I will shallow a lot crap to make it happen and Haymon and Finkle said ok we will get it done.

Look to the other side and its different. Hearn is just doing what he supposed to do to protect his investment. He is a slimy boxing promoter looking to make as much money as possible as quickly as he can before AJ gets beat. I don't fault him for doing what promoters do. This is all on Anthony Joshua. If he truly believed he could beat Wilder he would be begging to get the fight done. I used to be a fan but he has already admitted out of his own mouth the he fears losing a fight and all that comes with that.

So blame fast Eddie all you want but this is all on AJ

Hearn turned his fighter into a superstar, a 3 belt unified champion selling out 90k arenas and making 20M a fight while Wilder holds one belt, has only fought 1 opponent with a pulse is virtually unknown in his own country and cant even sell out his backyard.

Wilder even lost the pursebid to Povetkins team and couldnt even afford to pay Parker for a unification.

Seems like you live in an alternate reality.

Wilders team knew that the WBA wouldnt wait much longer, they have the contract and it takes them 10 days to comment? If they want that fight they sign it immediately, get on the phone, arrange a meeting and get it done.

Both of these parties dont want the fight next because its much bigger next year, but they both want to blame the other party and you people fall for the nonsense.

In 6 month when the fight is signed nobody will care about what happened now and the fight will generate way more money than it would now.