Is this the diehard Hearn fanbase?

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What details do you, or anyone here knows?

Do you know what was in the $50M contract that Wilder sent? Date? Venue? Ring size? Money guarantee? Guarantor? Funds source? Main promoter? Was the 24 hour "deadline" in writing? Why did Wilder say the contract is still alive 2 weeks after the deadline passed. Did they provide proof of funds that Hearn asked for?

Do you know what Hearn's counter offer was? Flat fee, PPV split? Articles are saying they needed 'clarification' on date and venue. What did the contract actually say? Did it say "whenever we want, whereever we want", or did it say "3Q18-1Q19, major arena in the UK". What else was there? Is a voluntary allowed if their fight isnt until 2019? Were there any other weird stipulations? Wilder's team was made aware that WBA gave Hearn 24 hours to make Povetkin fight. Why didn't they display urgency?


You don't know jack ****. You're making assumptions based off the very limited statements both Finkel and Hearn made to the media.
Wilder fans and Hearn haters will interpret it as AJ ducking. Wilder bashers will run around claiming Wilder never wanted the fight.

Here's a news flash. Neither guy is afraid of each other. Wilder just fought a boogeyman of the HW division for peanuts and no titles to gain. He sure as hell isn't afraid of fighting Joshua for tens of millions of dollars and a a chance to be unified HW champ.
In the same camp, Joshua sure as hell isn't afraid of Wilder. Not only is it a huge money fight for him and a chance to be unified champ, but Wilder looked VERY vulnerable against Ortiz, and Joshua beat Wlad, who's a way better fighter than Wilder.

Ok, your first paragraph isn't relevant other than the offer was made by wilder's team. The funds legitimacy was questioned by hearn & aj. They were then provided proof that satified them enough to make a statement as such to the press. Instead they declined and saud they would only fight in the uk...unless it was a rematch


Hearns counter offer is on record as a flat fee.
The contract had no venue nor date. The offer had been accepted by team wilder on the agreement that it was to take place as the next fight. Hence the urgency & Wilder submitting to accepting a flat fee to get the fight signed. September/oct/november had been suggested as viable dates & a uk stadium a viable location.
The contract was blank on these terms. There was no mention in the contract of the proposed dates that had been agreed to.

Wilder's team didnt get 24 hours notice. As the deadline was announced Hearn was confirming the date & fight against Povetkin

You went to a lot of effort to the defence of Hearn there. Some sly digs at wilder whilst giving him his dues to disguise it

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Hearn is a tall guy. I like that in a promoter. He has plethora of owl jokes as well. That's my jam.

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Ok, your first paragraph isn't relevant other than the offer was made by wilder's team. The funds legitimacy was questioned by hearn & aj. They were then provided proof that satified them enough to make a statement as such to the press. Instead they declined and saud they would only fight in the uk...unless it was a rematch


Hearns counter offer is on record as a flat fee.
The contract had no venue nor date. The offer had been accepted by team wilder on the agreement that it was to take place as the next fight. Hence the urgency & Wilder submitting to accepting a flat fee to get the fight signed. September/oct/november had been suggested as viable dates & a uk stadium a viable location.
The contract was blank on these terms. There was no mention in the contract of the proposed dates that had been agreed to.

Wilder's team didnt get 24 hours notice. As the deadline was announced Hearn was confirming the date & fight against Povetkin

You went to a lot of effort to the defence of Hearn there. Some sly digs at wilder whilst giving him his dues to disguise it

Child please. Questioning Wilder's magical $50M contract that had no detials isn't relevant, but Finkel questioning date and venue, when Hearn publicly said it will be in the UK between Oct18-1Q19 is the game changer apparently. Irony anyone?

Sly digs at wilder? My post history is full of examples defending Wilder against morons, just like it is full of examples of defending Hearn against idiots. You sir, are the latter.

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Child please. Questioning Wilder's magical $50M contract that had no detials isn't relevant, but Finkel questioning date and venue, when Hearn publicly said it will be in the UK between Oct18-1Q19 is the game changer apparently. Irony anyone?

Sly digs at wilder? My post history is full of examples defending Wilder against morons, just like it is full of examples of defending Hearn against idiots. You sir, are the latter.

Team Joshua were satisfied that wilder's offer was legit. They didnt accept as the offer was for a usa fight

The dates Wilder agreed to for his flat fee were sept/oct/nov 2018. The terms being they would be each others next opponent

The only time the first quarter of 2019 was mentioned as a date was on the possibility of AJ facing povetkin first.

That was always Hearns intentions. There are statements from both the Hearns on this.

You're confusing 2 entirely different situations, either deliberately or because you're genuinely confused.

If its genuine confusion then fair enough. If its deliberate then you're a Eddie Hearn devotee/Hearniac

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Team Joshua were satisfied that wilder's offer was legit. They didnt accept as the offer was for a usa fight

The dates Wilder agreed to for his flat fee were sept/oct/nov 2018. The terms being they would be each others next opponent

The only time the first quarter of 2019 was mentioned as a date was on the possibility of AJ facing povetkin first.

That was always Hearns intentions. There are statements from both the Hearns on this.

You're confusing 2 entirely different situations, either deliberately or because you're genuinely confused.

If its genuine confusion then fair enough. If its deliberate then you're a Eddie Hearn devotee/Hearniac

the bold is absolutely the case.

hearn's narrative shifts constantly. it's really alarming that a lot of british posters seem to eat up what this guy has to say. i'm sure wilder's team is perfectly fine with a fight in the interim, but these uk people are buying the narrative that eddie is trying his hardest to make the fight and wilder is hiding in the woods in alabama.

first he gave a flat fee to wilder, insisting that the fight wasn't that big [ ] and that he'll be getting a sizable amount of the purse. then wilder makes an offer for a fight in the US. "the funds may not be there, we are not satisfied with the offer's legitimacy." funds are verified [and FFS it was CBS/showtime and al haymon for a fight in las vegas, of course they're real.] "we want the fight in the UK." "we need to fight povetkin."

i am not sure what they'll think of next.

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You're trolling

He didnt sign, it was a blank contract but you know that

a blank contract

It's a 25 page document you buffoon.

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the bold is absolutely the case.

hearn's narrative shifts constantly. it's really alarming that a lot of british posters seem to eat up what this guy has to say. i'm sure wilder's team is perfectly fine with a fight in the interim, but these uk people are buying the narrative that eddie is trying his hardest to make the fight and wilder is hiding in the woods in alabama.

first he gave a flat fee to wilder, insisting that the fight wasn't that big [ ] and that he'll be getting a sizable amount of the purse. then wilder makes an offer for a fight in the US. "the funds may not be there, we are not satisfied with the offer's legitimacy." funds are verified [and FFS it was CBS/showtime and al haymon for a fight in las vegas, of course they're real.] "we want the fight in the UK." "we need to fight povetkin."

i am not sure what they'll think of next.

But they did give Wilder and his team a contract on the offer they publicly accepted. Finkel came back after having the contract for a week and said he'd need a further 6 days to get back with the contract comments.

He admitted this in the dan rafael interview.

14 days and no comments or signature, for a fight you're supposedly desperate to have?

I'm not blaming Wilder because I'm 1billion% sure he's desperate for the fight.

However, I'm not so sure Finkel is happy with his cut of the deal - But the offer is still on the table so we'll see if he signs it.

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a blank contract

It's a 25 page document you buffoon.

With key points in the contract omitted..aka blank you Hearniac

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If Wilder didn't want the fight next, why did he agree to a low ball flat fee to go to the UK? That's about as desperate as it gets.

And even still, the contract didn't list a date, so they sought clarification that if they signed, the fight would be next and not at a later date after Povetkin.

Meanwhile, Hearn continued to be evasive to stall. Hard to blame this one on Wilder and Finkel. The WBA stuff is a smokescreen. Unification trumps mandatory. You just pay a small fee for an exception. There's no doubt Wilder's side wanted the fight next. They made every concession possible. It still wasn't enough.

particularly when hearn and crew refused a US fight for a whole lot of [and potentially more] folding money

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OP makes a good distinction between Joshua fans and Hearn fans. Their really aren't too many Joshua fans on these boards.