Comments Thread For: Spence Not Interested In Signing With Arum, De La Hoya or Hearn

[JakeTheBoxer]

He won`t fight Crawford, because he is with Arum.

He won`t fight Charlos because they are his friends.

He won`t fight Khan because he is with Hearn.

He won`t fight Porter, Garcia and Thurman because they are with Haymon.

[BigStomps]

So...under Top Rank or Golden Boy, what great names would be on Spence’s resume right now??? Brooks was considered by many to be the best welterweight in the world when Spence fought him. And Peterson has never been an easy fight for anyone outside of Matthyse. Outside of Canelo and Manny, who both have countries behind them, what PPV stars have either Arum or Oscar built up??? And honestly, how can either promoter make Spence any bigger without having other good welterweights under their banner??? Is Terrence Crawford a superstar??? He’s promoted by Arum, right? How did his ppv numbers do??? He’s fighting at welterweight now, but what legit opponents are there??? So what can Top Rank honestly do for him or Spence??? Name a black fighter that Golden Boy has made a ppv star. Better yet, name just one successful black fighter under the Golden Boy banner. Both Arum and Oscar are big right now because their top fighters are supported by their entire country. If Canelo gets knocked out, Golden Boy gets ko’d too. When Manny retires, Top Rank goes down hill as well. Lomo is great but will never be a ppv star. And how long will Crawford stay with Arum now that he’s fighting at 147??? All the other legit welterweights are with PBC and Showtime. 5 years from now, both promotional companies will be irrelevant like Don King.

People been saying that about Bob but he's still going strong 40 years later... 😆
Top Rank isn't going anywhere! And I don't even like that old fucc Bob Arum.
But at the rate he's going you and me both are gonna die way before that old, punk motherfuccer kicks the bucket...

[Dr.Cool]

Spence is one of the very few fighters who can probably make more without a promoter.

ODLH left TR and Arum, and being his own promoter, made more than any other boxer ever had, up to that point.

Mayweather left TR and Arum, and earned almost a billion dollars without a promoter.

When you don't have a promoter, you can choose your own fights. If AJ didn't have a promoter he could/would be fighting Wilder for a guarantee of at least $50 million.

[bigdunny1]

Ford Ampitheater actually seats 5000, but let's not let reality mess with your desired story, lol (Dan Rafael having a written report that put the attendance for the fight at 3723 fans also screws your story, too).

Why try and lie about objective information that can be disproven in minutes of looking?

He did not sellout that tiny arena which wasn't even configured for full capacity and the announced crowd was 3723 let's pretend that fairy tale number is even accurate. You just quoted 6000K to pretend that is a bad crowd (by the way practice what you preach Dan Rafael reported Ryan attendance of 6,625). So what's better 6625 or 3723? That's my point that's the crowd that 28 year old Spence was pulling just 3 fights ago and Ryan is doing much better then that only 19. And I don't care about the bogus numbers that are released Ryan sold more then 5000 tickets. They didn't sell shyt for the Spence fight if the crowd was announced as over 3000 they were lucky if they sold 500 tickets. They handed damn near every ticket out for free. And the fans showed up for the co-main to watch the bytches fight. Heather Hardy local girl from Brooklyn had a bigger and louder crowd for her fight then Spence did for his. My buddy who only went because he was given free tickets was at the fight and told me fans literally got up and left after her fight and didn't stick around for the main event. Spence just started drawing decent crowds and before his last couple fights would of jumped for joy if 6000 fans showed up to see him fight let alone drew numbers like that as a prospect just starting out like Ryan Garcia is already doing.

[WesternChamp]

Spence is one of the very few fighters who can probably make more without a promoter.

ODLH left TR and Arum, and being his own promoter, made more than any other boxer ever had, up to that point.

Mayweather left TR and Arum, and earned almost a billion dollars without a promoter.

When you don't have a promoter, you can choose your own fights. If AJ didn't have a promoter he could/would be fighting Wilder for a guarantee of at least $50 million.

you have to understand one thing though. when oscar/floyd left TR and arum, they were further along the line in terms of popularity compare to spence.

TR has already started setting them up to be known. its not like oscar/floyd left TR before even headlining a ppv fight. when they left TR, they were pretty much house hold name already.

[IMDAZED]

you have to understand one thing though. when oscar/floyd left TR and arum, they were further along the line in terms of popularity compare to spence.

TR has already started setting them up to be known. its not like oscar/floyd left TR before even headlining a ppv fight. when they left TR, they were pretty much house hold name already.

Times have changed. So has the model. Crawford and Loma are both 30+ and neither are close to being superstars.

[pugil1st]

He won`t fight Crawford, because he is with Arum.

He won`t fight Charlos because they are his friends.

He won`t fight Khan because he is with Hearn.

He won`t fight Porter, Garcia and Thurman because they are with Haymon.

Why are you making this up? You doubt he wants these names? Why?

[bigdunny1]

Bradley "landed" PPV fights as a means of protecting/keeping Manny at TR. These weren't fights designed to promote Bradley. Hell, Khan and Chavez Jr have both landed PPV fights in the same fashion since signing with Haymon; should we say Haymon made them into PPV stars?


Canelo is only known by Mexicans in the US. He is far from a cross over star here. The only reason he gets any recognition is for being that Irish-Mexican who fought on the Floyd undercards.

And lastly, Ryan Garcia is a glorified Instagram model according to your post. Lot's of followers but not getting paid for them. And how the hell will he be PPV when he doesn't look to be a fighter that can separate himself from moderate opposition?

I don't care about your excuses Bradley signed with Top Rank to get paid and land on PPVs. That's where the money is.

Haymon didn't get those fights they negotiated those fights outside of Haymon outside of PBC. Golden Boy made flat offers directly to the fighters and they took the deal, Haymon had nothing to do with the promotions or the events. And oddly neither of those fighters seem to have anything to do with PBC since. Khan is now signed with Hearn and tons of rumors that Chavez is now signing as well. Both got paid outside the PBC bubble and refuse to go back signing with promoters to continue landing bigger money fights and potential PPVs that don't appear to exist through PBC.

How the phuk is Canelo only known to Mexicans? I live on the east coast where no mexicans and all fans here talk about is Canelo. Local bars that don't even air boxing only UFC ppvs air every Canelo PPV and they are always packed with not a single Mexican in there. Dude you sound ignorant if you think only Mexicans watch and know who Canelo is. That's like saying only Philipino's in the US know about Manny Pacquaio. Canelo is the biggest star in the sport today.

Ryan Garcia has literally dominated every fighter he's faced. He didn't knock out Velez is the only criticism you can throw at him. But he wobbled and beat him up more then anybody has and white washed him winning every round. Velez has only been beaten by good fighters and nobody has knocked him. What 19 years olds are fighting guys as accomplished as Velez? Hell let's go back to Spence Velez is better and higher ranked at the time he fought Garcia then just about every opponent Spence faced until he fought Algeri and that was only 2 years ago. Spence's last 5 fights is when he started fighting live opponents and he was 26 when that happened. Garcia is 19 and already has a better win then a 26 year old Spence had.

[bigdunny1]

Spence is one of the very few fighters who can probably make more without a promoter.

ODLH left TR and Arum, and being his own promoter, made more than any other boxer ever had, up to that point.

Mayweather left TR and Arum, and earned almost a billion dollars without a promoter.

When you don't have a promoter, you can choose your own fights. If AJ didn't have a promoter he could/would be fighting Wilder for a guarantee of at least $50 million.

You are comparing fighters who were already built into PPV stars. Folks keep forgetting Floyd was ALREADY a star and ppv fighter that Top Rank built. He just wasn't a mega star yet but he headlined 3 straight PPVs that all drew 325-375K buys. It's easy to go independent without a Promoter when you are already #1P4P and a 300K PPV draw. But going independent when you are not even a PPV fighter yet and drawing moderate viewership on cable is very hard. A lot of these guys are anywhere close to being a PPV fighter sure the top guys are getting 1-2M paydays but that's peanuts compared to what they could get if they linked with a promoter and buit for PPV fights. Floyd wasn't the biggest star in boxing when he left Top Rank but was definitely on the short list of maybe 5 fighters who consistently drew those PPV numbers. And Oscar was by far the biggest PPV draw in the sport when he left. Big difference comparing stars who were already built and huge draws compared to guys that have never fought on PPV and are not known.

[lion33lit]

yea cause loma danny jacobs and crawford are sooo popular compared to spence right lol

oscar didnt even make canelo, richard schaefer did. Arum hasnt had a superstar since manny

Exactly, well said!