How would you honestly rate Golovkin?

[DreamFighter]

And still won.

that would be the least expected of him for one defence!

[Curt Henning]

The insecurity is strong with this one...

theres no insecurity here from me at all....you just cant refute what i said about you trying to tie golovkins legacy to 4 fights that havent even happened yet....only 1 of them actually signed

hes 36...he aint fighting canelo, bjs, jacobs again and charlo...and if by some grace of god that did happen he aint comin away without at least 1 loss.....which would still be quite an accomplishment in itself...but its a pipe dream

and you tried to say hell be "golden" if that happens..no way no how...id bet anything it never happens

im not the one insecure about his resume...i already know its not good

[Hewito]

that would be the least expected of him for one defence!

And still won.

[Diego Rodriguez]

why am I a hater for pointing out that you are using absence of evidence as evidence? Surely its you committing the error here - someone who points it out is the wrongdoer?? You got this upside down.

so you are matching GGG against the past it or injured versions of cotto and martinez?

The evidence is not absent. He was avoided.

My point, if I remember, is you'll hear people give Canelo credit for beating Cotto. A lot more credit than I give him, but he still gets credit. You will hear people give Cotto credit for beating Martinez. I will consider the fact that both of those guys avoided Golovkin as evidence that he was/is a pretty good fighter.

I will make a judgment based on my own experience that had Golovkin faced either of those guys he would have beat them handily. With that said I wouldn't rate either of those probable Ws as huge notches given the state of both Martinez and Cotto at that time in their careers (both past their prime).

[Diego Rodriguez]

i personally dont include absence of information as in the universal set of "everything"

You keep saying absence, it isn't an absence of information.

[Diego Rodriguez]

No one is saying that Gatti is elite; keeping to the Madden comparison, recall that I called him maybe an 81 Madden RB.

Still, Golovkin has fought a few fighters that can objectively be rated as good (using the same Madden scale, I think that it'd be fair to rate Jacobs, Alvarez, and Brook at at least being 85+ Madden RBs), and we've seen how Golovkin has performed in those fights.

Unless I have Alvarez and Jacobs misrated, which is possible, a 90+ guy doesn't fight to 50/50.

He gets another chance in September, but if Golovkin again looks how he looked in the first fight, either Alvarez actually is a 90 (using the Madden RB scale) or my eyes haven't failed me.

Gatti shouldn't even be mentioned.

Golovkin didn't fight 50/50 IMO and most people's opinion he won or should have won both of those fights.

Is it possible that Golovkin has deteriorated in his mid 30's, possibly. In fact that would be the norm for most athletes. It is one of the things we will always be left wondering IMO, how would have a 26 year old to 30 year old Golovkin faired against more elite competition.

BTW Floyd was in "close" fights against guys who were not 90+ fights.

In the end most of this comes down to subjectivity. If you want to believe Golovkin is a Madden B level fighter go for it. If you want to rate guys like Jose Luis Castillo higher (who was one of my favorite fighters) go for it. I mean he had to be a mid 90s fighter if he basically fought Mayweather to a draw (or beat in fact beat him). This is the logic you are trying to use with Jacobs and Canelo. It fails of course.

You do realize if you called Golovkin a B level fighter with any guy covering boxing they'd laugh in your face. Even the guys who don't think he is a world beater thing he is a hell of a good fighter and one of the best in the sport? I am just curious if you realize how out of touch you are?

[Diego Rodriguez]

elite fighter but unfortunately not going to go down as an all time great. BUT the drama show isnt over yet, hes still got time to add to his achievements. id like to see him line them up one after the other, canelo, saunders, charlo and call it a day.

I tend to agree. Considering where he came from he has done pretty damn well. He just didn't get the big fights earlier in his career. I won't say he has no shot at being an all time great but highly unlikely.

He'd have to go on a pretty great run; beating Canelo (decisively) and then finishing out the division (probably Saunders and Charlo). He probably then would have to move up and win another belt. But he is already 36 and not many guys in sports get better especially w/out the juice. Hops is the one guy who comes to mind of course. Golovkin's cap is at 168lbs and he would be on the small end.

But hey one fight at a time. He'll have his plate more than full with Canelo.

[Boxing Goat]

I've never thought much of lineal titles.

Boxing history cares

[Scipio2009]

Gatti shouldn't even be mentioned.

Golovkin didn't fight 50/50 IMO and most people's opinion he won or should have won both of those fights.

Is it possible that Golovkin has deteriorated in his mid 30's, possibly. In fact that would be the norm for most athletes. It is one of the things we will always be left wondering IMO, how would have a 26 year old to 30 year old Golovkin faired against more elite competition.

BTW Floyd was in "close" fights against guys who were not 90+ fights.

In the end most of this comes down to subjectivity. If you want to believe Golovkin is a Madden B level fighter go for it. If you want to rate guys like Jose Luis Castillo higher (who was one of my favorite fighters) go for it. I mean he had to be a mid 90s fighter if he basically fought Mayweather to a draw (or beat in fact beat him). This is the logic you are trying to use with Jacobs and Canelo. It fails of course.

You do realize if you called Golovkin a B level fighter with any guy covering boxing they'd laugh in your face. Even the guys who don't think he is a world beater thing he is a hell of a good fighter and one of the best in the sport? I am just curious if you realize how out of touch you are?

Maybe Golovkin did deteriorate; he is 36, going on 37 after all. Since he didn't really fight anyone worth fighting until late, we'll never know. All I'm saying is I trust my eyes.

Bovada, after smoking it the first time, currently have Golovkin listed as less than a 2:1 favorite for the Alvarez rematch. Think about that for a moment.

And let's keep things honest here; using the rating conversion, I've consistently rated Golovkin as being near an 88. If you play Madden, you can definitely do major damage with an 88 RB. He's a B+ fighter, lol.

And, just like in Madden, the ratings don't generally stay stagnant between seasons either. Floyd was a young otherworldly 130lb fighter, who was going up a class to face a peaking lightweight king in Jose Luis Castillo. If you want to act as if that was Floyd peaking, that's on you.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Maybe Golovkin did deteriorate; he is 36, going on 37 after all. Since he didn't really fight anyone worth fighting until late, we'll never know. All I'm saying is I trust my eyes.

Bovada, after smoking it the first time, currently have Golovkin listed as less than a 2:1 favorite for the Alvarez rematch. Think about that for a moment.

And let's keep things honest here; using the rating conversion, I've consistently rated Golovkin as being near an 88. If you play Madden, you can definitely do major damage with an 88 RB. He's a B+ fighter, lol.

And, just like in Madden, the ratings don't generally stay stagnant between seasons either. Floyd was a young otherworldly 130lb fighter, who was going up a class to face a peaking lightweight king in Jose Luis Castillo. If you want to act as if that was Floyd peaking, that's on you.

Your obsession with Madden is pretty hilarious.

Your eyes do not see what most in boxing see. You’ve yet to acknowledge your opinion on Golovkin is way off compared to people in boxing.

Think about what? Golovkin is the favorite against a guy who gets very favorable judging. In a fight the overwhelming majority of people think he won he got a draw. And Vegas is interested in getting people to bet. I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t near even money by fight time.

So what was Floyd when he fought Castillo, what was Castillo? Now go down the list of Floyd’s opponents. DLH, Cotto, Mosley.