How would you honestly rate Golovkin?

[DreamFighter]

LOL! So you are. You think old Cotto at MW in 2015 was a better fighter than Golovkin.

So IMO you fall under one of two categories or maybe both; you do not know boxing or you’re a Golovkin hater (or maybe Cotto nuthugger).

its interesting that you dont see the posts i make supoprting GGG. I am glad i will never be like you.

And yes Cotto may have been better than GGG in 2015, but we wont know.

We do know cotto fought at least 6 elites, GGG fought one and drew in that.

[Diego Rodriguez]

its interesting that you dont see the posts i make supoprting GGG. I am glad i will never be like you.

And yes Cotto may have been better than GGG in 2015, but we wont know.

We do know cotto fought at least 7 elites, GGG fought one and drew in that.

LOL! I have little doubt you’d be laughed at by virtually all people who cover boxing thinking Cotto at MW in 2015 was a better fighter than Golovkin. But that is your opinion as comically bad as it may be.

Your last point is meaningless. It says nothing about weight class, time frame or performance. I’d expect this type of argument from a casual fan.

[DreamFighter]

LOL! I have little doubt you’d be laughed at by virtually all people who cover boxing thinking Cotto at MW in 2015 was a better fighter than Golovkin. But that is your opinion as comically bad as it may be.

Your last point is meaningless. It says nothing about weight class, time frame or performance. I’d expect this type of argument from a casual fan.

it says nothing about those things because it says everything about size, which is what the word "little" and "big" refer in the english language. perhaps you are speaking another language.


there is no doubt that a fight with multiweight elite titlist Cotto was bigger than a fight with IBO titlist Golovkin .

also i note you call 2014 cotto a 2015 version. Why would you spoil your own argument by basing it in falsehood?

[Citizen Koba]

its interesting that you dont see the posts i make supoprting GGG. I am glad i will never be like you.

And yes Cotto may have been better than GGG in 2015, but we wont know.

We do know cotto fought at least 7 elites, GGG fought one and drew in that.

I got Floyd, Pac and probably Sugar Shane... then I'm kinda running out of names. El Tornados only 'elite'ish sorta win was Cotto, so was Trouts... which is kinda circular reasoning. Zab? ... Iffy. Who else? Maravilla? Definitely pushing it by the time they fought.

[DreamFighter]

I got Floyd, Pac and probably Sugar Shane... then I'm kinda running out of names. El Tornados only 'elite'ish sorta win was Cotto, so was Trouts... which is kinda circular reasoning. Zab? ... Iffy. Who else? Maravilla? Definitely pushing it by the time they fought.

pac, floyd, sugar, margarito, martinez, canelo.

ok 6., ty.

[Diego Rodriguez]

it says nothing about those things because it says everything about size, which is what the word "little" and "big" refer in the english language. perhaps you are speaking another language.


there is no doubt that a fight with multiweight elite titlist Cotto was bigger than a fight with IBO titlist Golovkin .

also i note you call 2014 cotto a 2015 version. Why would you spoil your own argument by basing it in falsehood?

Yes I'm sure when people are using lil G it is because they want to distinguish the difference between Georges Groves and Gennady Golovkin. Who's buying your BS?

No, that is not what I said. I already acknowledged that I understand the reason why Martinez preferred the Cotto fight. It was a more lucrative fight and also from from a name recognition standpoint Cotto was a bigger name. People who know boxing know a W against a prime Golovkin would be much more telling than a W against an old, small Cotto. The casual like you just look at names and say, the Cotto victory would have meant more.

No one who knows boxing believed Cotto at MW in 2014 (you are right the fight was in 2014, but makes no difference to my point) was a tougher/better fighter than Golovkin at that time.

Cotto by the time he faced Martinez had:

07/2008 - lost by TKO @ 147 to Margarito (we know about the loaded gloves)
11/2009 - lost by TKO @ 147 to Pac (he was blown out)
05/2012 - lost by UD @ 154 to Mayweather
12/2012 - lost by UD @ 154 to Trout

06/2014 - beat Martinez @ 159 catchweight

What were his notable wins from the Margarito loss to the Martinez win?

Mayorga - who had been blown out in several fights before.
Margarito - No longer loaded gloves and who had been beat by both Pac and Mosley in one sided fights.

Cotto simply got the fight against Martinez because he brought a lot more money to the table. It was not for what he had accomplished in the ring recently.

I just pulled the first article I found. This is from 2013.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1511753-is-gennady-golovkin-ready-to-fight-sergio-martinez

Here is another from 2012.

https://www.dailynews.com/2012/09/28/boxing-sergio-martinez-should-fight-gennady-golovkin-next/

Everyone and their mother who followed boxing knows Golovkin was the toughest opponent Martinez could have fought from 2013 (or earlier) and on. But it didn't work out. If your opinion remains Cotto was a tougher fight for Cotto then die on that hill.

[DreamFighter]

Yes I'm sure when people are using lil G it is because they want to distinguish the difference between Georges Groves and Gennady Golovkin. Who's buying your BS?

everyone presumably who prescribes to the dimensions of this universe, where someone of bigger mass is seen as bigger of two.

so I assume you arent of this universe.

No, that is not what I said. I already acknowledged that I understand the reason why Martinez preferred the Cotto fight. It was a more lucrative fight and also from from a name recognition standpoint Cotto was a bigger name. People who know boxing know a W against a prime Golovkin would be much more telling than a W against an old, small Cotto. The casual like you just look at names and say, the Cotto victory would have meant more.

i'm not saying it would, a win against a multiweight titlist is worth more everytime over an unrecognised IBO titlist. not just when they involve lil G, no, its the case with every fight in the Universe.

Again u arent presumably in this Universe.

[Diego Rodriguez]

pac, floyd, sugar, margarito, martinez, canelo.

ok 6., ty.

Pac was a prime - Cotto got blown out.
Floyd was prime - Cotto lost by UD
Mosley - was no longer a prime fighter, in fact I would argue he wasn't even near prime. (I am a Mosley fan)
Margarito - his loaded gloves put him in question. But lets give him "elite" status. If he was elite at one time it was when he TKO'd Cotto. When Cotto beat him the next time he clearly was not prime. (I was a Margarito fan until his loaded gloves).
Martinez - was not prime. I'm not sure with his busted leg he was even near prime for the Cotto fight. He retired after that fight which is telling.
Canelo - was prime, Cotto by UD lost.

So IMO he faced three prime fighters (four if you add Margarito) and was TKO'd in one (two if you count prime Margarito) and lost two UDs.

He beat past his prime or near prime Mosley and IMO past his prime (significantly hampered) Martinez. A win also over tainted Margarito.

Cotto is an elite fighter. He wasn't elite towards the end of this career. His prime era ended by no later than 2009 and probably on the night Margarito TKO'd him (with loaded gloves likely).

As I said previously having truly elite wins IMO is far and few between. Just because a guy is an elite fighter doesn't mean when you faced them they were at the level. You can be a HOF basketball player but not playing at that level every year.

You can have lots of excellent years and not necessarily have an elite W and be an elite fighter IMO.

[DreamFighter]

Pac was a prime - Cotto got blown out.
Floyd was prime - Cotto lost by UD
Mosley - was no longer a prime fighter, in fact I would argue he wasn't even near prime. (I am a Mosley fan)
Margarito - his loaded gloves put him in question. But lets give him "elite" status. If he was elite at one time it was when he TKO'd Cotto. When Cotto beat him the next time he clearly was not prime. (I was a Margarito fan until his loaded gloves).
Martinez - was not prime. I'm not sure with his busted leg he was even near prime for the Cotto fight. He retired after that fight which is telling.
Canelo - was prime, Cotto by UD lost.

So IMO he faced three prime fighters (four if you add Margarito) and was TKO'd in one (two if you count prime Margarito) and lost two UDs.

He beat past his prime or near prime Mosley and IMO past his prime (significantly hampered) Martinez. A win also over tainted Margarito.

Cotto is an elite fighter. He wasn't elite towards the end of this career. His prime era ended by no later than 2009 and probably on the night Margarito TKO'd him (with loaded gloves likely).

As I said previously having truly elite wins IMO is far and few between. Just because a guy is an elite fighter doesn't mean when you faced them they were at the level. You can be a HOF basketball player but not playing at that level every year.

You can have lots of excellent years and not necessarily have an elite W and be an elite fighter IMO.

i see you listed the few elite wins Cotto has.

now list the elite wins lil G has. zero.


you are too easy. You ought to have thought about that reply before you put in the effort of typing all that, it'd save you the effort.

[Diego Rodriguez]

everyone presumably who prescribes to the dimensions of this universe, where someone of bigger mass is seen as bigger of two.

so I assume you arent of this universe.

i'm not saying it would, a win against a multiweight titlist is worth more everytime over an unrecognised IBO titlist. not just when they involve lil G, no, its the case with every fight in the Universe.

Again u arent presumably in this Universe.

You can keep blathering on about lil G and it all being in reference to his size . . . you and I both know you're a full of BS. But that's fine go ahead and refer to him however you want. I just noted it is telling.

You think Cotto was a tougher fight for Martinez in 2014 than Golovkin. People in boxing knew who Golovkin was by 2012. Just like they know who Charlo is today (and Golovkin was far more established than Charlo is today). If Manny Pacquaio decided to jump up to fight Golovkin today people in boxing would know that Charlo is a more dangerous opponent than Pac. Casuals (and the more you write the more you sound like one) would say "Charlo who?", Pac is more dangerous than that guy. He has so many titles in so many weight divisions. The same argument you are making with Cotto.