Haters

[Explosivo]

Oh so now we are comparing Grant to Wlad. The last I checked one good win (Golota) doesn't compare to what Wlad did, and Wlad is only 28. If Tyson wouldn't have gotten injured I would see him beating every beltholder except Vitali.

Im comparing Wlad to Grant in the way that they are now, both half the men they used to be.

I disagree with you on Tyson too, but everyones entitled to their opinions.

[Neuraxis]

Im comparing Wlad to Grant in the way that they are now, both half the men they used to be.

I disagree with you on Tyson too, but everyones entitled to their opinions.

Let's say Wlad = 6 and Grant = 1. If you take half of 1 you get .5 for Grant and if you take half of 6 you get 3 for Wlad. Case in point Wlad is still miles ahead of Grant.

[Explosivo]

Let's say Wlad = 6 and Grant = 1. If you take half of 1 you get .5 for Grant and if you take half of 6 you get 3 for Wlad. Case in point Wlad is still miles ahead of Grant.

Ok, whatever. Wlad is better that Grant. Neither are great fighters. Can we at least agree on that?

[theironone]

Neither are good fighters they are both very very average

[Neuraxis]

Like I've said before, what does that make everyone below him?

World Heavyweight Ratings

Name Age Points Debut W-L-D » Last 6 »
1 Vitali Klitschko 33 2,043 1996 34-2-0

2 James Toney 36 1,999 1988 68-4-2

3 Joe Mesi 30 1,995 1997 29-0-0

4 Chris Byrd 34 1,983 1993 37-2-1

5 Wladimir Klitschko 28 1,961 1996 43-3-0

[theironone]

Sorry Neuraxis was that post to me

[Neuraxis]

It was to you and explosivo.

[Explosivo]

Like I've said before, what does that make everyone below him?

World Heavyweight Ratings

Name Age Points Debut W-L-D » Last 6 »
1 Vitali Klitschko 33 2,043 1996 34-2-0

2 James Toney 36 1,999 1988 68-4-2

3 Joe Mesi 30 1,995 1997 29-0-0

4 Chris Byrd 34 1,983 1993 37-2-1

5 Wladimir Klitschko 28 1,961 1996 43-3-0

So the Heavyweight division is very weak at the moment. That doesnt make Wlad a great fighter. He's two spots under Mesi. Is Mesi an all time great too?

[theironone]

Like I've said before, what does that make everyone below him?

World Heavyweight Ratings

Name Age Points Debut W-L-D » Last 6 »
1 Vitali Klitschko 33 2,043 1996 34-2-0

2 James Toney 36 1,999 1988 68-4-2

3 Joe Mesi 30 1,995 1997 29-0-0

4 Chris Byrd 34 1,983 1993 37-2-1

5 Wladimir Klitschko 28 1,961 1996 43-3-0

Is this your personal list of the top five or is it from boxrec or something, i'm not having a dig or anything just wondered.
My top 7 would be
Big Klit
Toney
Byrd
Ruiz
Rahman
Golota
Brewster
I would put baby klit at about 10 or 11 just, i just think his chin is shocking and believe as bad as some these other fighters are they would beat him, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Neuraxis]

So the Heavyweight division is very weak at the moment. That doesnt make Wlad a great fighter. He's two spots under Mesi. Is Mesi an all time great too?

Finally we agree. The heavyweight division is weak now, but it is just going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. Everyone who is any good is older than 30 years of age. Wlad on the other hand is only 28. There is no one good out there under 30.