The Ring Latest P4P: Taylor #4, Hopkins #5

[SuckaPunch]

And btw, Sergio "The Latin Snake" Mora is now a top ten middleweight according to Ring Magazine.

[K-DOGG]

since you were at the fight then all those punchs that winky threw when they were in close you may have felt at the time that they were landing clean on taylor and they weren't everytime winky threw somthing taylor came right back with something stronger and most of the time better, enough better that in repeadetly with one punch thrown winky would quicky step back out if not taylor would force winky back out with his punchs.

winky fought the fight of his life, i say taylor has more power then vargas but seeing how winky was able to take some of those shots maybe vargas hits harder, but then again taylor didn't follow up on a few times that he had winky wobbled and ready to hit the canvas.

winky has already shown taylor all he has, and it wasn't enough, taylor can still do so much more.

Yes, I know not all of Winky's punches landed solidly; but more of his landed solidly than did Taylor's. Also, Winky dictated the pace and had the air of a man who was in charge, while Jermain was being forced into corners and looking to land counter right or time Winky coming in .....most of the time, he was unsuccessful.

Winky fought to win, Jermain fought (mostly) not to lose. The only impressive thing about Taylor was the way he fought back just when it looked like Winky was about to take over completely. The kid's got heart, I'll give him that; but Christmas came early for him this year, IMO.

[DiegoFuego]

And btw, Sergio "The Latin Snake" Mora is now a top ten middleweight according to Ring Magazine.

well honestly can you name 10 better than him?

Taylor is unranked because he's champ
1) Wright
2) Abraham
3) Miranda
4) Sturm
5) Soliman
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Maybe I don't know enough about the current middleweight division, but can you really fill up all those spots without looking long and hard?

[K-DOGG]

LOL you act like it was so obvious. I can see a draw but not a Wright victory under any circumstances.

Must be the rose colored glasses....where'd you get 'em?

[K-DOGG]

if taylor doesn't belong, then winky surely doesn't belong in top 5, how he even got 2 is shaddy

Off his performances over Mosley, Trinidad, and NOW Taylor...yes, I think he deserves to be at #2.

[Bonafide]

http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html

As of June 18, 2006

1. Floyd
2. Winky
3. Pac
4. Taylor
5. Hopkins
6. MAB
7. Marquez(R)
8. Hatton
9. Castillo
10. Calzaghe

FYI

I can agree with this list. I dont see anypoint in bitching here. Where was Tarver on this list before losing to Hopkins ?

[Super_Lightweight]

There was nothing impressive about Taylor in any of those fights aside from his heart and will.

In the first Hopkins fight, B-Hopp kicked his ass from round 8 on. If Bernard had started earlier, he woulda won.

In the second Hopkins fight, the only differenc were fewer punches and less drama. I scored it a draw. Neither man impressed me.

In the Wright fight, Taylor fought the Wrong fight; and I had Winky winning with relative ease.

No, Jermain Taylor does not deservre to be in the Top 5.

Taylor's speed, power, and jab were also pretty sharp. Hops didn't really kick any ass in that fight. He got the better of it in the later rounds, but he never laid the kind of beating that he laid on Echols or Tito. Again, when has anyone looked great vs Hopkins? Bernard didn't start earlier because he couldn't. If he had, Taylor would have been right there with him, blow for blow. Hops knew he had to wait, and that's a credit to Taylor.

You may have had Winky beating Taylor with ease, but most people did not and many agreed with the draw. The criteria for becoming top 5 p4p is not looking impressive vs Hopkins or Wright. But if Taylor is considered to have fought on even terms with Hops/Winky (as most of the public thinks) then it logically follows that he should be ranked closely with them on the p4p list.

[DiegoFuego]

Must be the rose colored glasses....where'd you get 'em?

you already showed anger over Taylor beating Hopkins so your opinion on Taylor really doesn't count here

[DiegoFuego]

I can agree with this list. I dont see anypoint in bitching here. Where was Tarver on this list before losing to Hopkins ?

Around 8-10 on most people's lists

[K-DOGG]

Taylor's speed, power, and jab were also pretty sharp. Hops didn't really kick any ass in that fight. He got the better of it in the later rounds, but he never laid the kind of beating that he laid on Echols or Tito. Again, when has anyone looked great vs Hopkins? Bernard didn't start earlier because he couldn't. If he had, Taylor would have been right there with him, blow for blow. Hops knew he had to wait, and that's a credit to Taylor.

You may have had Winky beating Taylor with ease, but most people did not and many agreed with the draw. The criteria for becoming top 5 p4p is not looking impressive vs Hopkins or Wright. But if Taylor is considered to have fought on even terms with Hops/Winky (as most of the public thinks) then it logically follows that he should be ranked closely with them on the p4p list.

Well, I've been in the minority before, so this is nothing new...and I want to watch the fight again because of all this difference of opinion. I'm only worried now that I'll give too much credit to Taylor. There were several rounds that were very close, I'll admit; but I still don't see Taylor winning even if I gave him all the close ones.

Of course, what you say makes sense concerning the contituancy fo people's opinions and the fact that it was Hopkins and Wright and the fact that Taylor hung with Hopkins...a possibly dried out Hopkins judging by his activity level against Tarver, though Tarver was largly inactive and that could have contributed to B-Hop looking that good as oppossed to Taylor, who was very active in the early rounds of the first fight.

I don't know. I just know what I saw and how I scored and how shocked I was at the decision. I concede nothing other than you make good points, which are logical. Still, I feel Taylor needs to do more.

Leonard fought a tough fight with Benitez, who was a great fighter, and stopped him in the waning second of the 15th. He fought mano a mano with Roberto Duran and lost and then pysched out Manos de Piedras in the rematch...was losing to Thomas Hearns but ****** it up to win by TKO.

Hopkins earned his ranking through consitancy over time instead of sensationalism..until Trinidad.

De La Hoya showed his wares in 4 divisions.

Robinson dominated welterweight and kept coming back to win at Middelweight.


Do you see where I'm coming from with Taylor?

The kid's got talent gallore; but I consider the Top 5 the absolute best...and the kid hasn't shown me that, yet. I think eventually, he'll be #1; but I don't believe in ranking on potential or unimpressive showeings against top fighters....and he hasn't really impressed me yet at the top of the division.