Comments Thread For: Joshua's Coach Explains Why Wilder Fight Must Be in The UK

[Muz]

Excellent post

Unification trumps mandatory if AJ chooses it too, that’s why all the Wilder fans going nuts, all they got is name calling. AJ is running the game.

When people start saying some has been gifted a career or been lucky, that just sounds like plain jealousy. Real is real, those belts real and that money real, everything else just BS.

How is it even possible that in 40 fights the only names on Wilders CV are Stiverne and Ortiz? Don’t waste your time building those two donkey’s up, Ortiz was hyped based on nothing and is literally a grandpa (and he still made it hard for Wilder) and Stiverne is up there with Martin in terms of worst HW champions of all time.

Facts are Wilder been in the game twice as long, had twice as many fights as AJ but has just a quarter of his success in terms of belts and tenth of his success in financially, and that doesn’t even account for brand value. Someone ducked the big fights, not sure it was AJ.

Wilder will eventually travel to the UK and it reminds me a lot of a night I saw live. A fearsome puncher who was coming to finally give a protected boxer his lesson and take the belt home, Left Hook Lacey was never the same again, Calzaghe made him look silly and punished him, it’s going to happen again, so I wouldn’t be in such a hurry to make it happen if I was a Wilder fan.

Great comparison to the Calzaghe vs Lacy destruction. Same exact scenario.

[Muz]

Fact post

No one’s spinning it, your right he did travel to fight a washed up Harrison, I’d forgotten because it was forgetable.

Let’s put this another way, Wilders record is indefensible. I know Wilder fan boys have to keep some faith cos he certainly ain’t proving anything with the opposition he takes on but the fact is this....your response was to defend Wilders willingness to fight overseas by pointing out that in his 28th fight Wilder travelled to the UK for a payday against a guy who had already lost six times, and whose career highlight was winning a Euro title (beating a guy with a record of 32-15 losses).

AJ on the other hand has only 21 fights (7 less than the illustrious win detailed above for Wilder). And he has all the other titles and has way more
ranking points on his record.

How’s about this, Wilder fans go stew for at least 10 more fights cos if you’re a Wilder fan you got no right to be calling out anybody. Your boy slept for 8 years and didnt challenge anyone for anything and picked up his trinket against a tomato can and has since done everything to avoid defending against anyone with a pulse.

100% truth. This sends all the wilder fanboys home to the slums.

[Muz]

I must give credit, where credit is due! Dan Rafael broke it down:

April 16, 2018:

If Joshua (21-0, 20 KOs) wants the fight with Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) next, it sure doesn't seem that way, regardless of what he says. It's clear in the offer Joshua's promoter, Matchroom Boxing's Eddie Hearn, recently made to the Wilder camp: a flat fee of $12.5 million, take it or leave it, for Wilder's participation in the fight...

For Team Joshua to take Wilder as a $12.5 million expense without cutting him in for a large percentage of an event that could generate in the high eight figures is a joke. When Joshua faced Joseph Parker to unify their three belts last month, the Parker camp got one-third of the money in the event. Wilder is worth more than that, obviously; he brings the last piece of the undisputed title to the table, he brings a bigger fan base and, on his own, he generates more money than Parker does.

If Parker is worth a third, Wilder is easily worth at least that much and probably even a few more points. His side has stated it knows it's not getting 50-50 and hasn't asked for it, but to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...ean-fight-next

Sally Jesse Dan Raphael is the same shill that PBC used to get wilder out of a fight with Povetkin when he reported the false positive meldonium issue that was proven to be bull.

Haymon has lots of propaganda out there to protect he great black USA hope but the bottom line is Wilder and haymon have been called out and their frauds have been exposed. They won't fight, they trying to build up Wilder and will feed him ten more bums to get to 50-0. That's been the plan. Suckers in the USA who need a hero believe it. Smart people see the scam.

[New England]

Technically he did, Josh is selling out stadiums, no reason to head over to America right now for anyone.

joshua vs klitschko did less than hopkins - calzaghe, when there was a guy named chad dawson who would have clearly beaten both and who both avoided.

bernard "boring" hopkins and a welshman that nobody outside of hardcore boxing circles had even heard of. did more at the gate than joshua vs klitshcko.


so there's no other reason... except for money!


joshua's handlers want the fight in the UK for reasons other htan money. take from that what you will! just look at eddie hearn's rhetoric over the last six months FFS. the guy was trying to hide behind dillian whyte, then he offered wilder a flat fee that was in the ballpark of what joseph parker made. then he said the 50 million dollar offer was fake. then he said the money was real, but the fight had to be in joshua's hometown for some reason.


it is what it is, try and be honest with yourself and you'll see that eddie hearn wants this fight less than joshua, wilder's handlers, and wilder.

[saintpat]

So Tony Johnson should fight Wilder in the UK because he speaks well?

[Bronx2245]

Sally Jesse Dan Raphael is the same shill that PBC used to get wilder out of a fight with Povetkin when he reported the false positive meldonium issue that was proven to be bull.

Haymon has lots of propaganda out there to protect he great black USA hope but the bottom line is Wilder and haymon have been called out and their frauds have been exposed. They won't fight, they trying to build up Wilder and will feed him ten more bums to get to 50-0. That's been the plan. Suckers in the USA who need a hero believe it. Smart people see the scam.

As soon as you wrote "Black USA," you lost all credibility! Smart people know you're a racist! **** off Adolf!

[uppercut510]

I don't disagree, but I personally would rather have that fight in a massive stadium - in the US or UK, than some 20K people at T-Mobile.

u going to the fight?

[uppercut510]

aj fans are happy hiding behind stadium numbers and having a fighter that makes a lot of money. all they talk about is aj being the a side and how broke wilder is and what he did in his first 21 fights. the actual fight between wilder and aj is not something they are interested in. what happened to boxing fans? on one hand you all say all wilder fights is bums but then you say he has no right to call out aj, he hasn't done enough??? wouldn't fighting the other best hw be ideal to end the bum talks??? outside of klits what has aj done to actually be this monster with this monster resume? why weren't any of you asking who klits fought in his 21st fight. aj is a good fighter and has a lot going for himself but the way you guys are acting makes it hard!

[Muz]

As soon as you wrote "Black USA," you lost all credibility! Smart people know you're a racist! **** off Adolf!

If you don't realize the USA has gone to great lengths trying to create and sell a black heavyweight then you are ignorant and blind. You can cry racism but the facts remain:

No USA fighter has held the lineal heavyweight title since Hasim Rahman after upsetting Lennox in 2000.

Haymon insists on a great black hope in America to win back the black demographic who QUIT on heavyweight boxing after the Klitschkos cleaned out every usa heavyweight from 2003-2015.

[Bronx2245]

If you don't realize the USA has gone to great lengths trying to create and sell a black heavyweight then you are ignorant and blind. You can cry racism but the facts remain:

No USA fighter has held the lineal heavyweight title since Hasim Rahman after upsetting Lennox in 2000.

Haymon insists on a great black hope in America to win back the black demographic who QUIT on heavyweight boxing after the Klitschkos cleaned out every usa heavyweight from 2003-2015.

I don't know why I'm even entertaining you, but here it goes:

There are 2 reasons why there is a decline in the "Black" HW in America since the 60s and 70s: The NFL & NBA! The elite "Black" athlete over 200lbs. is playing in one of those two leagues! If not for that, it would be exactly like it was back in the day! The boxing gyms have dwindled because the basketball courts and football fields are everywhere! Your statement is totally ignorant!