Wilder's resume makes me laugh

[Holler]

Wilder's record is poor for a 40 fight world champ with 7 defences, but there's a couple of reasons why he deserves at least partial credit.

Firstly, he was late to boxing, did well as an amateur but didn't fight there long enough to get a full education. That's unfortunate but he took up boxing to support his family so it's fair enough in my view. I respect him for that.

The other reason is a more general problem with boxing, US boxing in particular. There is far too much emphasis on remaining unbeaten. The networks use it to market fights and it makes matchmakers far too risk averse. Governing bodies, Promoters, network bosses, managers and the fighters themselves all have to take some responsibility but so do the viewing public who pay for uncompetitive fights.

Wilder's career displays the end result of this trend. He's fought a lot of dross, his best opponents are questionable, been carefully managed and protected and the end result will be a massive PPV cash in. Investment repaid, no matter what the result.

Unfortunately the success of the Mayweather model has helped to exacerbate the problem. Wilder's weak record is a symptom of a deeper problem.

[juggernaut666]

Wilder's record is poor for a 40 fight world champ with 7 defences, but there's a couple of reasons why he deserves at least partial credit.

Firstly, he was late to boxing, did well as an amateur but didn't fight there long enough to get a full education. That's unfortunate but he took up boxing to support his family so it's fair enough in my view. I respect him for that.

The other reason is a more general problem with boxing, US boxing in particular. There is far too much emphasis on remaining unbeaten. The networks use it to market fights and it makes matchmakers far too risk averse. Governing bodies, Promoters, network bosses, managers and the fighters themselves all have to take some responsibility but so do the viewing public who pay for uncompetitive fights.

Wilder's career displays the end result of this trend. He's fought a lot of dross, his best opponents are questionable, been carefully managed and protected and the end result will be a massive PPV cash in. Investment repaid, no matter what the result.

Unfortunately the success of the Mayweather model has helped to exacerbate the problem. Wilder's weak record is a symptom of a deeper problem.

Joshua has 7 more fights as amateur then Wilder .

The excuse he started late in boxing cannot be used ,they were just a year apart in age as well .


Having 7 more fights wouldn't cause such a drastic difference in abilities , looking at Wilders brother also reinforces these guys are not natural boxers they both lack refine skills .

[BLASTER1]

Look at his resume.

It's filled with unknowns or old beaten up pugs like Stiverne and a 50 year old from Cuba.

In 20 odd fights AJ already has wins over 2 world class fighters and world champions 1 of them very much in his prime.

Wilder is a joker. Fight a live body instead of going life and death with an old man that never did anything special outside of the amateurs.

Then Wilder is the joke that AJ wont fight for 50mill unless its in his backyard.
Now really whos the joke?
I mean cmon 50 million and all he has to do is fight this joke in Vegas.
Im laughing more at no balls AJ than any other boxer atm.

[rudy]

Look at his resume.

It's filled with unknowns or old beaten up pugs like Stiverne and a 50 year old from Cuba.

In 20 odd fights AJ already has wins over 2 world class fighters and world champions 1 of them very much in his prime.

Wilder is a joker. Fight a live body instead of going life and death with an old man that never did anything special outside of the amateurs.

Nor did Joshua losing his first fight in the Olympics but this is quickly forgotton. Ortiz was in the same stable as Joshua yet Hearns could not match them this was before Ortiz was 40 years old

[Holler]

Joshua has 7 more fights as amateur then Wilder .

The excuse he started late in boxing cannot be used ,they were just a year apart in age as well .


Having 7 more fights wouldn't cause such a drastic difference in abilities , looking at Wilders brother also reinforces these guys are not natural boxers .

It's a partial credit I'm arguing for, not a total pass!

I'm saying that circumstances weren't identical. Wilder's financial situation more acute. AJ benefitted from the money and coaching invested in London 2012. The market he subsequently entered was not as primed for a HW as the UK etc.

That's not to say AJ hasn't been far more aggressive, produced better, quicker and assembled the much superior record in less time, these are all facts, I just think there are some factors at work here outside of Wilder's control that contributed to the disparity between the two.

[juggernaut666]

Stiverne was consensus top 3 in the world and Ortiz was consensus top 4 in the world.

Klitschko was inactive for so long and coming off a loss that many no longer had him in the top 10 due to inactivity.

Parker has the least important belt and no significant wins and was not a consensus top 3 or 4 guy. Many had him outside the top 5, including boxrec.

Wilder has the better top wins than AJ from a ranking perspective. But AJ has had fewer fights and has accomplished more in less time from a championship perspective.

So how about instead of all this fighting on the internet, the two of them fight in the ring in whichever location produces the most revenue?

Your using a consensus ranking system only when it suits you .

Funny you dont mention the transnational rankings anymore bc it completely shuts Wilder down in proportion to how many top 10 HW's hes fought WHEN he fought them . lol


Tell me clown what ranking system or any boxing knowledgeable would have Stiverne over Klitchko or Parker as a non top 5 opponent ?

[Holler]

Then Wilder is the joke that AJ wont fight for 50mill unless its in his backyard.
Now really whos the joke?
I mean cmon 50 million and all he has to do is fight this joke in Vegas.
Im laughing more at no balls AJ than any other boxer atm.

I don't think either fighter is lacking in the balls department.

I also suspect a lot of boxers look at that adalaide byrd scorecard and Vegas loses some of its allure.

[Biolink]

Joshua has 7 more fights as amateur then Wilder .

The excuse he started late in boxing cannot be used ,they were just a year apart in age as well .


Having 7 more fights wouldn't cause such a drastic difference in abilities , looking at Wilders brother also reinforces these guys are not natural boxers they both lack refine skills .

Implying everyone learns at the same rate. Natural aptitude is real. Also not everybody gets the same quality of teaching.

I'd imagine wherever Joshua learned in London > A boxing club in Alabama. More foot traffic = More knowledge in out of the door = better quality teachers. Don't forget they had the olympics so there was a push in the UK boxing scene while everything was the same as ever in the USA

[BLASTER1]

I don't think either fighter is lacking in the balls department.

I also suspect a lot of boxers look at that adalaide byrd scorecard and Vegas loses some of its allure.

How does it lose its allure when it brings in the biggest $$$ in boxing.
The only reason AJ wants this fight in the UK is because he doesnt think he can beat Wilder without his stadium full of fans and UK refs and judges that get influenced by the crowd.

[juggernaut666]

It's a partial credit I'm arguing for, not a total pass!

I'm saying that circumstances weren't identical. Wilder's financial situation more acute. AJ benefitted from the money and coaching invested in London 2012. The market he subsequently entered was not as primed for a HW as the UK etc.

That's not to say AJ hasn't been far more aggressive, produced better, quicker and assembled the much superior record in less time, these are all facts, I just think there are some factors at work here outside of Wilder's control that contributed to the disparity between the two.

A boxers career isnt dictated by money though , its dictated by opponents .

The truth is Wilder could have easily been pushed to get Klitchko match sooner but in reality he would have gotten sparked out .


This didnt happen bc of the Wilder scare against Sconiers which put them in turtle mode . So it was a confidence factor not money and having to build him slowly was obvious bc he wasnt overly siilled at all ,he could punch though .

He was used as Klitchko sparring partner years later which Ali Bashir had said he was dropped in .


Money was not the direct cause for Joshua being at where he is now , its bc hes had the abilities to take much better fights early bc of skill.